Is a cougar hotas worth it STOCK?
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A Cougar with an FCC3 upgrade is worth every penny. But it ain’t cheap.
So is a WH with FCC3
how does an unmodded cougar compare to the x52? also do you need a mod to use the WH stick with the cougar throttle?
Depends. If both are working properly, then the X52 doesn’t hold a candle to the Cougar. Then again, the reliability of an X52 isn’t really that good anyway.
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Just get the one you want and know there is a likelihood of tinkering in your future. OOTB Warthog gimbals are better than Cougar for sure, but the Warthog gimbals are not without their breaking troubles either.
Gimbals on a warthog? I had thought they used hall effect sensors and a spring mount instead of gimbals…
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Gimbals on a warthog? I had thought they used hall effect sensors and a spring mount instead of gimbals…
I think you’re referring to potentiometers….
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… also do you need a mod to use the WH stick with the cougar throttle?
Nope. I use a stock Cougar throttle connected through the Cougar stick base and a stock WH stick. Nothing to it and very immersive when flying.
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I am not. A potentiometer is a rheostat - an electrical device that alters its resistance according to mechanical movement. Gimbals are a mechanical device for allowing movement in a joint. I was under the impression the warthog had a ball joint system instead of gimbals.
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Yeah, but you mentioned hall effect sensors…
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I understand they have hall effect sensors and a magnet, in place of a pair of potentiometers. Was I in error?
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I am not. A potentiometer is a rheostat - an electrical device that alters its resistance according to mechanical movement. Gimbals are a mechanical device for allowing movement in a joint. I was under the impression the warthog had a ball joint system instead of gimbals.
These parts on the Warthog stick are prone to snap in two:
It may not be technically correct, but some people refer to this part as the gimbals
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If it allows rotation of each part along one axis (which it looks like it does) then it is technically a set of gimbals. That is, each part is free only to rotate about one axis, and the stick gets two degrees of freedom due to there being two gimbals? Properly speaking gimbals are actually rings which allow such rotation, but the parts on the cougar work in a similar if limited fashion.
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gimbal
ˈdʒɪmb(ə)l/
noun
plural noun: gimbals
a device for keeping an instrument such as a compass or chronometer horizontal in a moving vessel or aircraft, typically consisting of rings pivoted at right angles.
OriginGimbals, universal joint, CV joint all have common functionality.
And yes they use Hall sensors.
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Ok, sooooo
The doohickeys break on both Warthog and the Cougar. I think that is what I was getting at. Thanks schnidrman
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Well on the cougar the part that the doohickey attaches to is usually the part that breaks first. Its soft metal, and the screw that holds it in place is often overtightened in an attempt to stop the grip from wobbling.
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My thingamabob ain’t broke yet.
But if you want to talk about whatcahmacallits that brake I can tell you a story about Cocos Track Clip Pro, it starts a few years back. So He manages to spap one of the arm joints and proceds to tape it up with cloth based PVC tape, you know the good stuff one uses when you find the right woman.
Anyway a year passes with Coco bitching about His clip that wont stay where He wants it. I think this has to stop, I just cant take it any more.
Coco go buy your self a tube of silicon sealant and use that to set the arm pivot in a fixed position where he needs it to be. OK so He does with good results. A week latter the other joint snaps.So some time latter he wants to buy My Clip that I don’t use, I use the reflector so I don’t have cables hanging of my head. I dont want to sell it.
Some months pass and I reconsider and just give it to Him.
It lasted two days before it got broke.
No good turn goes unpunished. :munch:
Names & places have been changed to protect the guilty, & no mammals were harmed in the telling of this story.
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Well on the cougar the part that the doohickey attaches to is usually the part that breaks first. Its soft metal, and the screw that holds it in place is often overtightened in an attempt to stop the grip from wobbling.
Exact same part on the Warthog that keeps breaking.
BTW, TM is charging 30Euro shipping for all parts now. That is why they are so expensive now.:sad:
My thingamabob ain’t broke yet.
But if you want to talk about whatcahmacallits that brake I can tell you a story about Cocos Track Clip Pro, it starts a few years back. So He manages to spap one of the arm joints and proceds to tape it up with cloth based PVC tape, you know the good stuff one uses when you find the right woman.
I got a Delanclip. Made of metal. Problem solved.:D
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I understand they have hall effect sensors and a magnet, in place of a pair of potentiometers. Was I in error?
No, you are not in error. It was your post that made me think you were confused:
Gimbals on a warthog? I had thought they used hall effect sensors and a spring mount instead of gimbals…
You were talking about gimbals then hall effect sensors, then back to gimbals.
Anyway, ignore my confusion about your confusion.
As for the thingamabob breaking on the whatchamacallit, I wonder what exactly people were doing with their sticks at that time? IIRC, one guy who snapped his gimbal did it due to using the stick with an extension and so the forces were a bit more than what the item was designed for.
With regards to the Track Clip Pro breaking, I fixed mine by putting a wad of green stuff inside that joint. It locks the joint in place but that’s both a plus and a downside. I think stuffing some blu-tac might work too. For those that don’t know, green stuff is that thingamajig used by modellers to fill in gaps or cover imperfections in models or minis.
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I have a Cougar HOTAS since 2001, used aggressively, and suffered no broken parts. I have, however, worn out 2 force sensor mods and the throttle pcb went defective. I was able to replace those malfunctioning parts and the HOTAS keeps on truckin’. I intend to continue using it until I can no longer find parts.
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My markoutsi (Greek naming for something you don’t know how its named) aka gimbals never broke on both my Cougar. Sure both have center play but for sure they r a must.
Before I got my first I was thinking, it’s just a stick, how different can it be? Then I bought and a second one for replacement. I’m on the second with pistolero mod and frequently I have to reposition the staff inside it. And Yes loving it all the way. -
Cougar sidestick center play can result from 2 issues: sloppy gimbals and sloppy fit at the stick shell to shaft connection. The second cause can be completely eliminated. The stick shell is attached to the shaft by an internal collar and 2 screws, one internal and one inserted from the shell exterior. Somewhat counter-intuitively, the looseness at this connection can be eliminated by inserting a thin AL bushing or washer (soft drink can material) where the screw penetrates the internal collar.
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Cougar sidestick center play can result from 2 issues: sloppy gimbals and sloppy fit at the stick shell to shaft connection. The second cause can be completely eliminated. The stick shell is attached to the shaft by an internal collar and 2 screws, one internal and one inserted from the shell exterior. Somewhat counter-intuitively, the looseness at this connection can be eliminated by inserting a thin AL bushing or washer (soft drink can material) where the screw penetrates the internal collar.
Exactly the fix I did on my Warthog center play. Funny, my Cougar never had the problem of center play.
Tailpiece broke on the Warthog and not the Cougar after 7 years of FSSB at 21lbs! (exact same part) Perhaps the center play causes more stress on the tailpiece and encourages snapping???