Begging for some help from the BMS GODS!
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64 bit
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Hehe, hope you weren’t reinstalling just for that reason, when I had my hardware issues this upgrade cycle, I reinstalled Windows 7 three times. Each time it orders them as it wants.
Maybe it had something to do with regional or levels of Windows 7, I’m running U.S. Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit.
My theory about uninstalling the Thrustmaster MFD drivers didn’t pan out either.
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Joy IDs has never worked for me. It sure would be nice if it did. Here is the way I get the controller order setup correctly. It is cumbersome at first but then you just get used to it. I’m running Windows 10 x64.
1. Open Device Manager
2. In a separate window Browse to Devices and Printers (you should see all your controllers and other things)
3. Right click and remove the device you want to be listed first; you right click and remove in Devices and Printers
4. Alt-tab over to Device Manager and right click in the white space and click scan for hardware changes; it will then re-add your device to the bottom of the controller list in Windows
5. Repeat this for each device…For me I have the HOTAS Warthog (stick and throttle), two MFD’s, MFG Crosswind’s and the Logitech G13. Every device is out of order whenever I reboot so if I want to get it in the correct order I will remove the joystick first, re-add and then remove the throttle, re-add, MFD 1, re-add, MFD 2 re-add, MFG Crosswind’s, re-add, G13, re-add. After I do that everything is in the correct order. If you do it enough it becomes second nature.
With all that said, if you can get Joy IDs to work then it would be much easier.
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Win 10. I tried all the forum advice, including JoyID. Nothing could dissuade Win 10 from ordering the USB game controllers with TM MFd’s first and Cougar HOTAS last. Since it was at least consistent, I finally gave up and edited the .key file controller DX assignments, in the order Win 10 likes them. I still have occasional issues of the USB devices turning off while flying. I never had a single issue with USB control devices during the 5 years I used WIN 7 OS. I think the only sure remedy is dual boot system. That would have its own inconveniences, but I would consider Win 7 OS essential for online multiplayer. I hope the BMS devs can provide a fix, but I am not sure that is possible.
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Does anybody that has windows setting the order have anything named that should be alphabetically before the MFDs but not?
Everyone that has a set by windows order has MFDs plugged in? What about the Thrustmaster drivers?
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All I can say is that I install my Cougar first, MFD Cougar Pack next, and all other USB stuff after in no particular order. I have had no problems with device numbering issues Win 7 64 Bit. Make sure you are using the 64 Bit Drivers for your Cougar. My MFD Cougar Pack does not require drivers from Thrustmaster. Windows installs drivers that work just fine. I program the buttons from within the Setup/Controllers section after I boot into the Sim.
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Not using a Cougar here. You don’t need the MFD drovers, but I did install the drivers listed at TM for the MFDs so I could get the software lighting control(while we are here anybody remember the button combo for the hardware lighting control?)
I tried uninstalling the TM MFD drivers but the order was the same, but I’m not convinced the uninstalling of the MFD drivers fully delete all the registry entries and may be causing this. They are the only common piece of hardware listed between all of us, and Mailman you are an example of someone who hasn’t installed the MFD drivers but still has control.
It would not surprise me if TM did something so that the MFD order would always stay the same so the programming would stay on whichever physical side the MFDS are on. If the MFDS are allowed to switch the order with other USB plugin +etc. orders, your physicaly left MFD could now be recongized as the right if it was plugged in differently and I have never had that happen.
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and Mailman you are an example of someone who hasn’t installed the MFD drivers but still has control.
So, what you are saying is that when you plug them in, Windows does not load a driver for them? I am using Win 7 64 Bit. You are using Win 10?
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Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit, I’m talking about the specific extra drivers that give you the ability to control the lighting from TM, I’m not talking about the default Windows drivers that it sounds like you are using.
EDIT: If you have installed the drivers from TM, not the default automatic Windows ones, your game controller screen for the MFDs should look like the one on the monitor in this picture:
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Fresh install Win 7 64 bit. on a new DDR. Fresh install BMS 4.33. Installed X-55 drivers and software first. Then my rudder pedals and right away windows numbered my pedals ahead of stick. Then my MFD’s and the are numbered first. I have never had this problem in all the years I have played. Changed from a 52 to the x-55 and no issue. So my order is MFD, Rudder, Stick ,Throttle. Every time no matter what I do. WHY WHY WHY??? I guess I will learn how to renumber my key. Thanks for all your help as always and again THANK YOU to everybody here who everyday make this the most amazing sim ever! Good hunting!
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Look at your properties of the MFD in the Game controllers screen, does it have that picture of the MFD on it like above or more generic red circles that light up for the buttons are pushed? If it’s the latter and you can’t reorder the MFDs it kills my theory that it is the Thrustmaster specific drivers locking the MFD order.
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I did not install the drivers or software for the MFD’s. Just plugged them in and Win made them 1-2 automatically.
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Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit, I’m talking about the specific extra drivers that give you the ability to control the lighting from TM, I’m not talking about the default Windows drivers that it sounds like you are using.
EDIT: If you have installed the drivers from TM, not the default automatic Windows ones, your game controller screen for the MFDs should look like the one on the monitor in this picture:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aq9yaLMs3f0/maxresdefault.jpgI’m not sure what lighting you are talking about. Aircraft Lighting? Once Windows has detected your MFD’s, you can program all the buttons and up/down switches to anything in your key file from within BS/Setup/Controllers. Just click something in your key file list, it turns blue, hit button or switch position on your MFD. It is now added to your key file via Direct X. I looked up the driver you are talking about. I personally have never needed it or used it. So it would be wrong for me to comment on its functionality. But I can’t help to think maybe it is causing your device numbering issue.
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The MFD button back lighting and left/right ID LEDs, IIRC the generic windows drivers only give you the DX buttons which doesn’t really change with the TM drivers, (still using .key programming of the DX buttons with them). What does change is the Game Controller properties screen that you can see on that monitor. It becomes more graphical with an actual picture of the MFD instead of generic red buttons and also give you software control of the MFD back lighting levels.
Really I changed my .key a long time ago and it isn’t an issue right now (until the next time I add a new USB device), but it’s a weird mystery now to me.
EDIT: Now that I am home, I can add my own pictures:
My Game Controllers list (this is the order BMS uses) and my JoyID order. Note the Saitek Aviator out of order, it was my last device added as soon by JoyID, but since Windows reordered it above the X65, I had to redo the DX .key numbers for the X65 (not too bad really, but annoying and weird).The Game Controller properties screen of the MFD after the Thrustmaster drivers are installed (I don’t have a picture of just the generic ones I had when first plugged in), you can see the back lighting control slider better in my picture than the other one.
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hi guys,
i think of this
it’s normal the problem with any device because windows 10 is very optimize for any machine with same family just os
just if i deep in problem , just simplify that as not flexibility with device on same directory
good journey
sf