@SOBO-87 said in On what grounds would you wish 4.37 to be developped?:
@vfp said in On what grounds would you wish 4.37 to be developped?:
one more thing how do you push buttons in vr? how do you control the plane besides throttle and stick ,and how much time
you can stay with vr without loosing your eyes and head? can you stay for 5 hours for example?
Push buttons = PointCTRL finger tracker, mouse emulation. That currently works with DCS, X-plane, P3D and MSFS. As simple as pointing at a button with your finger and clicking a button on the side of your finger.
Flight time = 5hrs. Yes no problem, I regularly (2 times a week) fly 3-5 hours in VR, and have done as much as 10hrs in a day, I have been doing this for the last 7 years - in that time I’ve had 6 eye tests and have had no negative effects on my eyesight or anything else from VR. I also fly high performance RC aircraft and have noticed no eyesight issues from VR impacting my RC flying. There are absolutely some people who are sensitive to VR, however I get on with it extremely well. This is largely due to tuning my setup to maintain smooth FPS etc.
Honestly, I’m so tired of the general anti-VR sentiment and the feeling that VR can only be for short, non serious experiences. And that you cannot fly seriously in VR for any length of time, this is frankly bulls!%t. I and many other ppl fly seriously in VR, I use an IRL Kneeboard and modified VR headset so I can easily read it in VR. The hardware is out there to allow direct manipulation of cockpit in an extremely intuitive and quick way. Modern headsets are comfortable, light weight, high resolution and offer image quality comparable with monitors. The problems have been solved, it’s not 2014 any more.
I don’t understand the pushback against VR. Would I like a full F-16 simpit, with 270 deg screen and triple projectors etc? Yes absolutely - but I cannot afford it, and I don’t have space for it. VR + PointCTRL gives me 90% of the immersion of a sim pit for 5% of the price and 99% less space footprint. Plus it’s not fixed to one aircraft. I totally understand why some people don’t get on with it. But it does work for a great many people. Quit yucking my yum!
Yes us VR supporters are a tiny niche of the BMS community, but that’s because BMS doesn’t support it “if you build it, they will come” as they say.
I have no problem with BMS devs saying they have no interest in VR. I think it’s unfortunate and they are missing out but it’s their free time they are spending to bring us this sim, so they will work on what they want. It does make me sad that the dev who was working on VR is MIA though. Hope they are ok.
This! PointCtrl makes a 3d cockpit almost as immersive as a fully 1:1 3d cockpit for a fraction of the cost. It beats anything that isn’t a 1:1 simpit. Right now I can’t get it to work in the Vorpx VR workaround for BMS VR, but since it crashes ~ 90% due to the UI, I can really test it well. But BMS is still very stable when you are in the 3D environment, getting there/getting out is the issue.
If you don’t want to pay/wait for a PointCtrl (which it is pretty simple, we should be able to get it to work in BMS at some point), one other solution is to remove some of the underside of the facial interface foam, or maybe even some of the plastic like Bergison has done here: https://bergisons.simpit.info/making_of_other
That works exactly like NVG look under works in real life. I modified my Pimax 8KX with just the facial interface and not the irreplaceable plastic of the headset and can see all of my ICP or one MFD at a time.
Also I am currently using a 180 degree 3x55" 4K TV setup and would go back to VR if I could, but it is an ok makeshift solution. Nothing beats 1;1 headtracking, especially in BFM.
For kneeboard, I am currently using VRK, a virtual kneeboard that shows up in VR with a drawing tablet to write, such as 9 lines, and saved graphics/pdfs for reference. This could in theory work with with BMS since it is inserted into your SteamVR view no matter the VR app although it’s developer seems to have stopped supporting it. However there is a simialr replacement program in the works that is very similar.