A golden era ahead for BMS
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@RalphROV no point to do so now for 4.38.
wait for it. since things will change and get optimized till then, wait for it for a fresh hw suggestion and probably prices… -
Everyone quoting me acting like I’m defending DCS or on their side, I’m not. I simply pointed out that on a technological level, and purely in terms of graphics, DCS still has advantages. I thought I was pretty clear with that in my post. Falcon far and away blows DCS out of the water in every regard that actually matters in terms of enjoying a combat flight sim.
You won’t catch me wasting 250gb of SSD space on that other game!
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@Mike-0 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
Everyone quoting me acting like I’m defending DCS or on their side, I’m not.
OK that’s it! Stop defending DCS!
(Just joking )
Don’t get too far with debates guys, it’s not worth it. You see how many DCS players are joining in yes? You will see many more when 4.38 will be released
Cheers!
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I don’t see why we have to do an “us vs. them” conversation. Pointing out the pros and cons of each sim is only useful in learning about which sim is a better fit for a particular pilot and if done properly, this should be an open and honest discussion.
No point in flying BMS if you want to fly an Apache or a Tomcat.
No point in flying DCS if you want to be a part of an active, responsive war theatre.War Thunder, VTOL VR, MSFS, XP, CAP2, EECH/EEAH… all have their place and fill a particular niche — therefore serving a particular fanbase. The best thing is that each of us can have one, two, or all of these sims and enjoy them!
Yes, it would be nice if X simulation had Y feature or would do Z, but we can’t have our cake and eat it too. Maybe someday in the future, we will, but let’s not get so obsessed with that “future” that we forget to enjoy what we have today.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk!
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@TED With the recent I-Hawk’s screenshots from 4.38 I got into a mood I remember, when I was flying a Falcon 3.0 and saw first pictures of yet to be released Falcon 4.0 in a local PC magazine. Oooooooooh
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@Atlas Well, I won’t lie and I have nothing to hide as I already said it all in the past.
I have nothing against DCS as a flight sim, I have only complains about those that lead it. ED - I don’t like them. I think their way of work is EXACTLY the opposite of what we do here, and that’s why I don’t like them.I think ED way of a work is a lie, a fraud, they promise things that they know they can NEVER achieve and yet they sell dreams to the public. That is what I think and nothing will change that. Dynamic campaign? Yea they can tell those stories to the public who maybe choose to believe in fantasy, but not to me
About DCS? Well I think DCS has a lot of very nice stuff, GFX of course, the full simulation of many different platforms, helos included. Without getting into the EA state of modules etc (Which is a big deal, HUGE deal actually, if you are a customer, I’m not of course).
DCS has potential, but ED instead of investing to depth into each module, not leave it until 100% done, they try to catch a wider pool of customers and so they jump from one module to another and keep spreading bullshit ideas about Dynamic campaigns (We will see…)
That’s the whole story from my POV. DCS is a nice sandbox eventually, it’s a CAS sim in a world full of very high details, but eventually it’s dead because GFX isn’t the face of everything, it sells yes and 4.38 will prove that as well, but it’s not as deep as gameplay is for a combat flight sim, apparently
Regarding the debate/discussion here - Well don’t be bothered by me, I mostly just came here for the joke I mentioned above, not for a real discussion. Most people using BMS and DCS do not have a real idea of how HUGE is the gap in gameplay between the 2
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Alright, I’ll wade in, I can’t resist. @I-Hawk I agree! ED and the recent kerfuffle with Razbam had me eating the popcorn, despite owning M-2000 and AV-8B (my excuse: 2020 for me was actually a good year for flight sim spending and time to fly). It always feels like their early access programs are a pyramid scheme, and it all almost came tumbling down last week. VEAO’s Hawk has been a harbinger for their 3rd Party Program and with as many of them they are letting in, there is going to be a fragmentation of modules that people spent a decent amount of money and not being able to fly them anymore if ED doesn’t collapse under its own weight first. I know Nick Grey comes from money and maybe that’s how, but still…
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@I-Hawk said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@Mike-0 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
Everyone quoting me acting like I’m defending DCS or on their side, I’m not.
Don’t get too far with debates guys, it’s not worth it. You see how many DCS players are joining in yes? You will see many more when 4.38 will be released
Cheers!
Once 4.38 is out, the main things remaining in favor of DCS are the hi-fidelity Hornet+Carrier Ops and the volumetric clouds in the graphics department. If you could address those there would be no real competition for BMS anymore. Not that it matters (but still )
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@Atlas yes, and you’re right in that we need DCS, IL-2, VTOL VR, even War Thunder for the community to stay viable as an industry, especially peripherals. I just don’t like the DCs business model, but I truly hope that if it is Nick Grey personally keeping it afloat, he is able to without burning the 3rd Party developers. I hope they learned VEAO Hawk debacle and have some kind of support to allow unsupported modules to work through later updates, but I don’t know how they can do that legally/financially.
But I really want to remind everyone here, DCS doesn’t really “freaking” matter to us. BMS is its own thing. Yes, comparisons are always going to be made. We will get some flow through of users that maybe do the War Thunder->DCS->BMS transition(s) that I’m seeing with my students that are young flight sim enthusiasts, which is always nice to have fresh blood, but BMS will continue to walk its own path regardless of ED.
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@Snake122
Yes, thankfully we can say that BMS is independent of DCS or any other sim for that matter. I wish them all the best and it seems that they will need it much more than the BMS devs, which is another thing I am thankful for. -
@Atlas said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
War Thunder, VTOL VR, MSFS, XP, CAP2, EECH/EEAH…
! EEAH/EECH ! With allmods it’s BMS of coffee grinders ️
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well we r over simplifying things…
DCS is a respected company with very good results. As much as I don’t like DCS and I tease - poke them all the time and I like it this is because I’m a satyr.
As I always say there is no actual comparison between DCS and BMS.
Yes they are on the same category GAME war flight sim and it’s easy to start point by point comparison.
BUT
DCS is a commercial company.
BMS is a company of friends for free.and this means BMS doesn’t care what DCS does to see them as direct competition. Even though some members might see it that way and maybe even act such well we all are errors making humans. It’s a human behavior. As a whole though BMS works way differently than a commercial company would do. The general rule is that each works on what he loves - likes.
Now if ppl and understand and comprehend this then whatever they say about comparing DCS and BMS are out of context and what they say makes no sense.
Both have their good and bad.
What BMS has good we say yea but see DCS doesn’t have it. and vice versa with the old lady with no teeth as BMS was described cause of lack of gfx.
bms are elitist bastards that play it hardcore and above all…
DCS is a censorship machine when you criticize them…
On DCS plus vote they delivered a single variant of F-16 in a considerable small amount of time… small cause if you take a look at BMS time still things are added for the F-16, well for all the F-16 variants but hey it’s 26 years of development and still adding, and have more to add??? yea it’s called free time. You see with this last how easy is to get in to a direct comparison.And all those stupid and wonderful things being recycled over the decades of both BMS and DCS.
Thankfully both have their maturity and focus.
Things go sideways some times, recent example on ED and the many times that BMS team of falcon team was dead and non existing anymore… etc etc…
Those will come again and again as users and circumstances bring them up…Users will continue with the no sense and base comparison as always…
The end point is user experience. in personal level do you enjoy it? either BMS or DCS well enjoy it and don’t make it a Jihad… there is no point. U r eager for features??? well don’t go Jihad up your sleeves and actively join the effort.
So as the thread tittle says yes it’s a golden era for BMS as it was always from the very beginning only this time in my personal opinion it’s more bright as more things get addressed, new members with full passion and love are added and bring magic with new features and address issues of the past.
That’s all from a former bms dev team member.
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@MaxWaldorf said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@VIPER-0 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
Our community sleeps completely peacefully
Sleep? I don’t have time to sleep!
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@Mike-0 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@TED said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@Ollie22 I think after 4.38 bms will win out in the looks too.
I’d be surprised if we can actually “win out” over DCS in terms of looks, we have a long way to go there with lighting, clouds and other things, but what we will have is “good enough” graphics paired with all the other things that BMS does so incredibly well!! Doubt DCS will ever have AI, ATC or a campaign like we have.
I mean heck, the theaters we have in BMS absolutely dwarf even the biggest maps in DCS, so expecting the same or better quality there was always gonna be a stretch, and I’m more than happy to compromise on a bit of eyecandy for that!
The so far released images about 4.38 suggest me that MANY 3rd party theaters will be released in the same time with 4.38. Which are far larger can Korea ATM as I can recall.
BTW you do not need a larger theater than what Korea has. If you check the boundary edges of the map you can see that it is VERY large. Just the most of action in the stock theater is happens is a 200x300 km size region or even smaller. But in fact the map is far, far larger than this. For a sim where tactical fighters are the main actors you simply do not need a larger theater than this.
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@molnibalage said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@Mike-0 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@TED said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@Ollie22 I think after 4.38 bms will win out in the looks too.
I’d be surprised if we can actually “win out” over DCS in terms of looks, we have a long way to go there with lighting, clouds and other things, but what we will have is “good enough” graphics paired with all the other things that BMS does so incredibly well!! Doubt DCS will ever have AI, ATC or a campaign like we have.
I mean heck, the theaters we have in BMS absolutely dwarf even the biggest maps in DCS, so expecting the same or better quality there was always gonna be a stretch, and I’m more than happy to compromise on a bit of eyecandy for that!
The so far released images about 4.38 suggest me that MANY 3rd party theaters will be released in the same time with 4.38. Which are far larger can Korea ATM as I can recall.
BTW you do not need a larger theater than what Korea has. If you check the boundary edges of the map you can see that it is VERY large. Just the most of action in the stock theater is happens is a 200x300 km size region or even smaller. But in fact the map is far, far larger than this. For a sim where tactical fighters are the main actors you simply do not need a larger theater than this.
I believe they have said 3rd party theatre builders will have to wait for release of 4.38 before they will get access. So it will be long wait for theatres other than the official 4.
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@Icarus said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@molnibalage said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@Mike-0 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@TED said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@Ollie22 I think after 4.38 bms will win out in the looks too.
I’d be surprised if we can actually “win out” over DCS in terms of looks, we have a long way to go there with lighting, clouds and other things, but what we will have is “good enough” graphics paired with all the other things that BMS does so incredibly well!! Doubt DCS will ever have AI, ATC or a campaign like we have.
I mean heck, the theaters we have in BMS absolutely dwarf even the biggest maps in DCS, so expecting the same or better quality there was always gonna be a stretch, and I’m more than happy to compromise on a bit of eyecandy for that!
The so far released images about 4.38 suggest me that MANY 3rd party theaters will be released in the same time with 4.38. Which are far larger can Korea ATM as I can recall.
BTW you do not need a larger theater than what Korea has. If you check the boundary edges of the map you can see that it is VERY large. Just the most of action in the stock theater is happens is a 200x300 km size region or even smaller. But in fact the map is far, far larger than this. For a sim where tactical fighters are the main actors you simply do not need a larger theater than this.
I believe they have said 3rd party theatre builders will have to wait for release of 4.38 before they will get access. So it will be long wait for theatres other than the official 4.
Here you can see om the latest screenshots that many of them is not Korea and it is 100%.
Korea does not have any kind of desert and high cliffs near to any coastline.
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25373/4-38-screenshots/21 -
@molnibalage said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@Mike-0 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@TED said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@Ollie22 I think after 4.38 bms will win out in the looks too.
I’d be surprised if we can actually “win out” over DCS in terms of looks, we have a long way to go there with lighting, clouds and other things, but what we will have is “good enough” graphics paired with all the other things that BMS does so incredibly well!! Doubt DCS will ever have AI, ATC or a campaign like we have.
I mean heck, the theaters we have in BMS absolutely dwarf even the biggest maps in DCS, so expecting the same or better quality there was always gonna be a stretch, and I’m more than happy to compromise on a bit of eyecandy for that!
The so far released images about 4.38 suggest me that MANY 3rd party theaters will be released in the same time with 4.38. Which are far larger can Korea ATM as I can recall.
BTW you do not need a larger theater than what Korea has. If you check the boundary edges of the map you can see that it is VERY large. Just the most of action in the stock theater is happens is a 200x300 km size region or even smaller. But in fact the map is far, far larger than this. For a sim where tactical fighters are the main actors you simply do not need a larger theater than this.
Applying the 555x555 nm size what I could measure on Korea interactive map.
Even war a Cold War theater would be suitable with a small fantasy if we wish to add at lest on airbase on the edge of UK. Of course some of longer range sq. also should be closer what was in RL in Poland but this is fine for a really large campaign.
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Applying the 555x555 nm size what I could measure on Korea interactive map.
Close a 64seg theater with 16 tiles = 1024 × 1024 cause tiles are 1x1km
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@molnibalage Thats because 4.38 will release with 4 theatres. Balkans KTO ITO and CET. At least that’s what they have said they are doing. Israel certainly has desert. They have also said 3rd party don’t get access until after release and expect long waits for their theatres . Wish I could direct you to the thread but I cant find it.