A golden era ahead for BMS
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@TED said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
I’m really struck recently by all the current problems and drama at dcs
Nothing new with DCS. I will say this has been going on for more than a decade now and some will even say issues with DCS code can be traced back to LOMAC days. Sometimes it will bubble up to the surface, like it has done now, sometimes a new map or module will distract people and it will be forgotten for a few months or a year, then the flaws will show itself again.
@Ollie22 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
BMS Has DCS beat in terms of value for money
About £7 for the Fighter Collection in GoG. If that’s not impossible-to-beat value for money, I don’t know what is!!
@MaxWaldorf said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
Sleep? I don’t have time to sleep!
I have it on good authority that the reason why we still don’t have 4.38 right now is because although you are not sleeping, you are spending time away from 4.38 development to make posts like these!! Back to work!!
@Mike-0 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
I’d be surprised if we can actually “win out” over DCS in terms of looks, we have a long way to go there with lighting, clouds and other things, but what we will have is “good enough” graphics paired with all the other things that BMS does so incredibly well!! Doubt DCS will ever have AI, ATC or a campaign like we have.
I mean heck, the theaters we have in BMS absolutely dwarf even the biggest maps in DCS, so expecting the same or better quality there was always gonna be a stretch, and I’m more than happy to compromise on a bit of eyecandy for that!
DCS has eye candy. If that is what is important, then by all means fly DCS.
DCS also has other aircraft like the Tomcat or the Apache. If you want to fly that, then by all means fly DCS.As to DCS surpassing BMS in areas BMS has going for it… well, let’s just say the Sniper BMPs in DCS has been an issue for a very, VERY long time. If they can’t fix something as basic as that (and remember, their best polished modules are the A-10C and the Shark!!), how confident are you at them doing other things?
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@Atlas said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
DCS has eye candy. If that is what is important, then by all means fly DCS.
DCS also has other aircraft like the Tomcat or the Apache. If you want to fly that, then by all means fly DCS.DCS is also a very lonely environment if you fly SP, which I tend to. Campaigns are scripted and ruined by the AI, In BMS one can feel they are part of a dynamic environment and it’s not you against the world.
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@braulston said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
DCS is also a very lonely environment if you fly SP
While this is true, a sterile environment can be quite good for learning. Imagine DCS as a “training sortie” where there are limited air assets with constrained rules of engagement and you can fly that sortie again and again to practice and refine your skills. Got shot down? Review your ACMI (TacView) and learn from it then fly the mission again and try something else and see how that works. The scripted nature lends itself well to that.
BMS is when your instructors have now released you onto the wild blue yonder, onto an active combat theatre, and for some unknown reason, have given your reigns to your very own F-16 squadron!
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Agree. Been with Falcon since the wall of migs and ctds. What a great community.
Very difficult to say all the thanks to all who stayed the course in the journey.
So I’ll just say Thank You!
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Threads comparing dcs and BMS are always fun, on both sides of the fan fence. I always feel that the wrong comparisons are made though.
Yes graphics are different.
These days there isn’t a lot to choose between the two viper simulations unless you’re someone like mavjp who really knows the numbers, and the feature sets are both reasonably complete.
The thing that sets the two apart is the game/war side of things. DCS can not handle large scale modern warfare. It can’t do lots of coordinated, well planned packages in the air working together to take out several different targets. It can’t do it with humans let alone with AI. BMS can with both.
Where DCS shines is in CAS and helicopter stuff, small engagements or sandboxes. The kind of thing where, because you’re down low, the graphics make a big difference. It’s best at the free for all, the unstructured/unplanned gameplay.
For me, I enjoy both and rotate between them. I love flying campaigns in BMS esp with other people on the rare occasion I can, and I love dodging ground fire in the a10 or helicopters in DCS.
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Let’s be clear…
DCS vs BMS is useless…Yes we belong to the same ecosystem but our aims are very very different.
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@MaxWaldorf said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
Let’s be clear…
DCS vs BMS is useless…Yes we belong to the same ecosystem but our aims are very very different.
You mean ED aims for money, BMS for everything else
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@Snake122 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@Mike-0 Ummm, checkout this thread…
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not showing the level of 3d object details that the villages and cities have in DCS, but that 4.38 terrain seems on par and those villages and cities come at a performance hit. There are sometimes I prefer BMS clouds, especially in VR.
I never understood the insane quality LOD0 external models in a flight sim. When you see things more than a mile in 99% of the time
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A new ultra fast pc is about to be ordered.
The one and only reason is 4.38…
My mind believes this is a valid justification…
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@RalphROV no point to do so now for 4.38.
wait for it. since things will change and get optimized till then, wait for it for a fresh hw suggestion and probably prices… -
Everyone quoting me acting like I’m defending DCS or on their side, I’m not. I simply pointed out that on a technological level, and purely in terms of graphics, DCS still has advantages. I thought I was pretty clear with that in my post. Falcon far and away blows DCS out of the water in every regard that actually matters in terms of enjoying a combat flight sim.
You won’t catch me wasting 250gb of SSD space on that other game!
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@Mike-0 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
Everyone quoting me acting like I’m defending DCS or on their side, I’m not.
OK that’s it! Stop defending DCS!
(Just joking )
Don’t get too far with debates guys, it’s not worth it. You see how many DCS players are joining in yes? You will see many more when 4.38 will be released
Cheers!
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I don’t see why we have to do an “us vs. them” conversation. Pointing out the pros and cons of each sim is only useful in learning about which sim is a better fit for a particular pilot and if done properly, this should be an open and honest discussion.
No point in flying BMS if you want to fly an Apache or a Tomcat.
No point in flying DCS if you want to be a part of an active, responsive war theatre.War Thunder, VTOL VR, MSFS, XP, CAP2, EECH/EEAH… all have their place and fill a particular niche — therefore serving a particular fanbase. The best thing is that each of us can have one, two, or all of these sims and enjoy them!
Yes, it would be nice if X simulation had Y feature or would do Z, but we can’t have our cake and eat it too. Maybe someday in the future, we will, but let’s not get so obsessed with that “future” that we forget to enjoy what we have today.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk!
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@TED With the recent I-Hawk’s screenshots from 4.38 I got into a mood I remember, when I was flying a Falcon 3.0 and saw first pictures of yet to be released Falcon 4.0 in a local PC magazine. Oooooooooh
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@Atlas Well, I won’t lie and I have nothing to hide as I already said it all in the past.
I have nothing against DCS as a flight sim, I have only complains about those that lead it. ED - I don’t like them. I think their way of work is EXACTLY the opposite of what we do here, and that’s why I don’t like them.I think ED way of a work is a lie, a fraud, they promise things that they know they can NEVER achieve and yet they sell dreams to the public. That is what I think and nothing will change that. Dynamic campaign? Yea they can tell those stories to the public who maybe choose to believe in fantasy, but not to me
About DCS? Well I think DCS has a lot of very nice stuff, GFX of course, the full simulation of many different platforms, helos included. Without getting into the EA state of modules etc (Which is a big deal, HUGE deal actually, if you are a customer, I’m not of course).
DCS has potential, but ED instead of investing to depth into each module, not leave it until 100% done, they try to catch a wider pool of customers and so they jump from one module to another and keep spreading bullshit ideas about Dynamic campaigns (We will see…)
That’s the whole story from my POV. DCS is a nice sandbox eventually, it’s a CAS sim in a world full of very high details, but eventually it’s dead because GFX isn’t the face of everything, it sells yes and 4.38 will prove that as well, but it’s not as deep as gameplay is for a combat flight sim, apparently
Regarding the debate/discussion here - Well don’t be bothered by me, I mostly just came here for the joke I mentioned above, not for a real discussion. Most people using BMS and DCS do not have a real idea of how HUGE is the gap in gameplay between the 2
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Alright, I’ll wade in, I can’t resist. @I-Hawk I agree! ED and the recent kerfuffle with Razbam had me eating the popcorn, despite owning M-2000 and AV-8B (my excuse: 2020 for me was actually a good year for flight sim spending and time to fly). It always feels like their early access programs are a pyramid scheme, and it all almost came tumbling down last week. VEAO’s Hawk has been a harbinger for their 3rd Party Program and with as many of them they are letting in, there is going to be a fragmentation of modules that people spent a decent amount of money and not being able to fly them anymore if ED doesn’t collapse under its own weight first. I know Nick Grey comes from money and maybe that’s how, but still…
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@I-Hawk said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
@Mike-0 said in A golden era ahead for BMS:
Everyone quoting me acting like I’m defending DCS or on their side, I’m not.
Don’t get too far with debates guys, it’s not worth it. You see how many DCS players are joining in yes? You will see many more when 4.38 will be released
Cheers!
Once 4.38 is out, the main things remaining in favor of DCS are the hi-fidelity Hornet+Carrier Ops and the volumetric clouds in the graphics department. If you could address those there would be no real competition for BMS anymore. Not that it matters (but still )
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@Atlas yes, and you’re right in that we need DCS, IL-2, VTOL VR, even War Thunder for the community to stay viable as an industry, especially peripherals. I just don’t like the DCs business model, but I truly hope that if it is Nick Grey personally keeping it afloat, he is able to without burning the 3rd Party developers. I hope they learned VEAO Hawk debacle and have some kind of support to allow unsupported modules to work through later updates, but I don’t know how they can do that legally/financially.
But I really want to remind everyone here, DCS doesn’t really “freaking” matter to us. BMS is its own thing. Yes, comparisons are always going to be made. We will get some flow through of users that maybe do the War Thunder->DCS->BMS transition(s) that I’m seeing with my students that are young flight sim enthusiasts, which is always nice to have fresh blood, but BMS will continue to walk its own path regardless of ED.