Troll on!
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Are you trying that on the ground, if so did you turn GND JETT enable to ON
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Thanks guys: It is in the Mav training mission (14?), and it starts 1/2 way to target. So I’m not on the ground, and I didn’t power up the hardpoints. Don’t even know how…lol.
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Thanks guys: It is in the Mav training mission (14?), and it starts 1/2 way to target. So I’m not on the ground, and I didn’t power up the hardpoints. Don’t even know how…lol.
IIRC, hardpoints are already powered on in that mission.
You should learn to ramp start so you can do it or check it when necessary. Check the Dash-1 in the Docs folder which has panel-by-panel descriptions. Check the panel forward of the stick, above the HUD settings panel.
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Thanks, man! I’ve done ramp starts, but currently find it tedious and distracting. My health is poor at the moment. Just wondering why my Mavs won’t fire…so I can move to the next training mission. I’ll take a gander at the panels, guess I could have “unchecked” it?
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Check the panel forward of the stick, above the HUD settings panel.
He is talking about WPN page.
Hardpoints are powered by ST STA switch. The SNSR panel HDPT switches are for the intake ones.
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@Switch:
He is talking about WPN page.
Hardpoints are powered by ST STA switch. The SNSR panel HDPT switches are for the intake ones.
Regardless, in the mission cited, there should be no need to power any hardpoints. If you follow the Training Mission instruction, the Mavs should power on and time out without manipulation of any hard-point power switches. At least that is my experience with that TRN mission.
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I know about that, just wanted to avoid misunderstanding here
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I’m thinking it might be a glitch? Perhaps becasue I used Auto Pilot, or sped things up for a minute or two? I did notice I couldn’t get the Targeting Pod to work while in AP? Maybe I’ll juts go through it once more, my 5th, and just go at normal speed and not use AP. (FYI: I do have the “cheat” AP mode, can’t remember what it’s called) The brain farts don’t help…lol
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Try not to uncage the mav before RDY.I know you can uncage the missile on the ground when ground jettison is enabled but I’m not sure what happens when you hit uncage button before RDY.Give it a try it might help.
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Good idea bomber, just trying to be prepared…lol
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Got it to work this evening!! YEAH! Just skipped the Auto Pilot, and speed up, and waited for countdown to Uncage. Not sure why it was OK this time. Still couldn’t shoot the G’s at the bridge even though I designated SP 16….but finally creamed that radar command center, at least.
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I’m thinking it might be a glitch? Perhaps becasue I used Auto Pilot, or sped things up for a minute or two? I did notice I couldn’t get the Targeting Pod to work while in AP? Maybe I’ll juts go through it once more, my 5th, and just go at normal speed and not use AP. (FYI: I do have the “cheat” AP mode, can’t remember what it’s called) The brain farts don’t help…lol
Study the training missions manual located in docs file of your installation folder.Follow step by step the instructions for that specific mission and try both D’s and G’s , how to power up and prepare the MAV ,lock, boresight-handoff. Practice practice practice until you can’t do it wrong.Then you are ready!!;)
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Honestly, these “look in the manual” helps are not useful. That is where I start. You can look for some abbreviations and they are not even in an entire search of the training or full manual.
For instance: “Enter the CNTL
page (OSB 5) and select AD1 (OSB 19) and enter a standard
arming delay of 4.58 seconds. Exit the CNTL page by pressing
CNTL (OSB 5) again.”
Not to be ungrateful for all the help and work that went into these manuals, BUT AD1 is only mentioned ONCE in the training (<right there).=“” zero=“” times=“” in=“” the=“” full=“” manual.=“” osb=“” is=“” actually=“” not=“” explained=“” as=“” far=“” i=“” can=“” see=“” either.=“” did=“” find=“” it=“” dash,=“” but=“” only=“” after=“” an=“” extensive=“” google=“” search.<br=“”>What is doesn’t say>
Click on the button beside the C1
push 458 (there is no ".), then hit ENTR ((No explanation as to what C1 really is, or why 4.58 is a magic number, and should you put it in every time???))
At this piont there is NO “CTNR” on the MFD…
You have to Hit “RTN”
I did figure out if you put AD2 in THEN CTNR shows up.
There are quite a few steps that are assumed and missing. It is confusing when such basic terminology is nowhere to be found.
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abbreviation is lacking indeed. That’s because most of us know them and we’re aware that we need a abbreviation index. We’ll work on that in the future but it’s also harder to work on it while it’s WIP (hey, that means Work in progress )
That said, it’s not rocket science. The forums are full of abbreviations too and nobody cry for a listBUT AD1 is only mentioned ONCE in the training - Zero times in the full manual
That is incorrect and unfair and although I will happily accept any critics about the manual, I am not going to let pass false facts about them:
As stated in the BMS training manual:
This document is not intended to explain how the BMS aircraft systems work.
The F-16 and its systems are explained in the BMS Dash-1 (TO-BMS1F-16CM-1) manual.
Weapon employment procedures are explained in the BMS Dash-34 (TO-BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1).
These documents should be read before flying the training missions.
The purpose of this document is to link both -1 & -34 with specific scenarios,
tying all the documentation together.And by following that logic. AD is explained in full term in the dash 1 page 83
SMS A-G Control page
While the CNTL page is displayed OSB #5 remains highlighted.
The top & bottom OSB lines are the same as the main SMS page. What is of interest is the left line of OSB buttons (#16 to 20) and OSB #6 to the right, which give access to 5 different weapon settings: C1, C2, C3, C4 and LADD.
C1 (OSB #20) is relevant to General Purpose weapons or Laser guided weapons and provides two different arming delays. One for the NOSE fuse and the second for the TAIL fuse. Depress OSB #20 to enter a subpage where both timings can be set.
C2 is relevant to Cluster Bomb Units or any weapon requiring a Burst Altitude (BA). Pressing OSB #19 will enter a SMS subpage where both the arming delay and the burst altitude can be set.
C3 is an additional setting for CBUs, with the same Arming Delay (AD) and Burst Altitude (BA) options as C2.
C4 is specifically for double fused CBUs. On this page AD1, AD2 and BA can be set.
LADD stands for Low Altitude Drogue Delivery and although OSB #6 has a profile for it, it is currently not implemented in BMS.
OSB #10 is the setting for the planned release angle. This value is required by the computer to calculate the correct symbology for DTOS deliveries.
As you can see the abbreviations ARE explained. They are just not in the training manual because it’s not the purpose of the training manual. They are though in the dash1 because it’s the purpose of the dash one
So the manual suite is pretty coherent if you give it a bit of thinking to understand the logic and the philosophy of how they are tying together.
And by the way, it’s the exact same issue in the real documentations - you have to work in different manuals and understand the way they are supposed to be used together -
OSB is actually not explained as far as I can see either
Wrong again - Dash-1 Page 76
The MFDs are the two displays situated on the front dash featuring 20 pushbuttons and four rocker switches on each. Both displays are independent. MFDs are powered by the MFD switch on the AVIONICS POWER panel on the right side console.
The push buttons are called Option Selection Buttons (OSB) and are numbered from 1 to 20, starting at the left button of the top row and moving clockwise to the top button of the left row.
The function of the button changes according to the displayed page and the button’s legend is displayed next to the button.Just make sure that what you’re saying is correct because I will always try to prove it otherwise
Regarding the OP main issue, I have no idea what the problem is. We have tested that training TE often (and including using AP) and we never had the reported issue. So it’s either a bug or a user problem.
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As if I could retain all the info in the Dash…Get real. Alot of it has no context.
I said the training manual and I ment the training manual = true
I realize this was a labor of love and all of you are volunteers, but no one in their right mind memorizes the Dash.“BUT AD1 is only mentioned ONCE in the training - Zero times in the full manual”
That is incorrect and unfair and although I will happily accept any critics about the manual, I am not going to let pass false facts about them:First and second pass through the training manual: Dash Exact same AD1= mentioned but NO Explanation or context.
AD is mentioned, but AD1 is NOT. I finally found it, but wasted 1/2 hour. All these suggestions for checking the “training manual” are
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Hey gents there is no conflict:(! Our friend glmccready is right; all these manuals are confusing for a noob! And as you correctly mentioned Red Dog about abbreviation "That’s because most of us know them "…It’s ok we 've all been in that situation years ago…!Keep trying glmccready you are in the right pathway…Sometimes we all need (SIM and real life )a “Back to basics” course…;). Regarding the main issue I believe (still not sure) the problem was the uncaged MAV before RDY.
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Nevermind, if you can’t make a tiny effort to try to find the info in the manuals, chances are that trying to master a study sim will be a loss of time
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Not confusing? lol I am a dentist (retired), and of superior intelligence, and (usually) memory. I flew the original Falcon for years. If I ask for help I need help, not criticism. My eyesight is poor at the moment, and I can’t drive. I have encephalopathy, it ain’t fun, but it has been a part of my life for 40 years.
Figured I delve into this Falcon thing once again. Try and get the grey matter back on track. The suggestions to read the TRAINING manual are NOT helpful. I try and fly the training missions, step by step along with the excellent Krause vids, freezing and switching windows constantly. Spending hours looking up things that searching in the manuals, you can not easily find.RTFM is a poor excuse and answer to a specific question! It shows a level of maturity that I’m not in the mood or condition to tolerate.
Perhaps I should just look for a more tolerant group in which to ask my questions, since this GUY, Red Dog, is a moderator. Dude wrote the manual,
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@Red:
Manuals are not confusing. You guys are confused because you don’t want to make the effort to RTFM
Manuals are making it easier to try to master a difficult things
2 years ago there was no manual, ppl were complaining for a right reason
now we have manuals and some ppl are still complaining for a bad reason - well some always will complain, there is not much we can do about thatWell mastering a F-16 study flight sim is not easy and is not for everyone.
If you can’t find your way in the current documentation suite, then you (and we trying to help you) are loosing your timeRTFM are done for a reason.
We aim to guide you through it, but if all you’re interested in is pissing on the manuals because you personally can’t use them, then you step over the border line of the ppl who can’t be helped.
We provided the effort to write the manuals. Granted they’re not perfect. Now it’s your turn to make a tiny effort in return to try to understand the way to use the mass of information laid it out to you.
That will help you to enjoy for free the hardwork from the BMS dev, hardwork they provided you for free.
All we ask is a tiny effort compared to the huge efforts we made. And all you can say is that manuals are not helpfull? How ungrateful and arrogant. Especially after having quoted the manuals answering the items of interest.Luckily you at least made one constructive criticism: the lack of abbreviation index.
Red dog; I didn’t say that the manuals are not helpfull.I said that they maybe are a little bit cofusing for e new BMS pilot like our friend. I am grateful for these manuals and I thing same is glmccready , for all the hardwork end efforts you made.Let’s end it here.