F-104J / F-104DJ / F-104 ASA/M / F-104C / F-104G /
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I think you’re mixing two things up. I never meant to say that Japan couldn’t have offensive capabilities but FMS exports to Japan were very much restricted. Lockheed couldn’t simply sell the F-104G “as is”, in particular with the ability to drop nuclear weapons.
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I think you’re mixing two things up. I never meant to say that Japan couldn’t have offensive capabilities but FMS exports to Japan were very much restricted. Lockheed couldn’t simply sell the F-104G “as is”, in particular with the ability to drop nuclear weapons.
In fact I’m not mixing things, you wrote :
The F-104J was different in that it was locally manufactured by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in Japan and while based on the F-104G, it all of the strike/attack capabilities removed
You might not have been clear enough in this case, I’m just quoting you! In fact, basic air to surface capacities remained (M61 machine gun and mk4 FFAR).
Maybe just misunderstanding.
Regards,
Radium
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You might not have been clear enough in this case, I’m just quoting you! In fact, basic air to surface capacities remained (M61 machine gun and mk4 FFAR).
Considering you can hang a FFAR pod under a T-33, that hardly makes it a strike aircraft in my book
The F-104J F-15J-31 fire control radar lacked the dedicated air-to-ground modes of the F15A-41B installed in the F-104G, which did provide support to drop Mk84, Mk83, MK82 and Mk117 bombs, CBU-33 cluster bombs, Napalm canisters and even B-61 atomic weapons.
I don’t know if the F-104J had the pylon wiring removed as well or altered to only allow wiring up of the AIM-9B? If not, the F-104J would have still been technically of dropping bombs but without fire control radar, I doubt it would have been any more effective than tossing bombs out of a biplane.
Let me reverse the question - if this was a myth, why would Lockheed bother to design the F-104J, given that it would have been cheaper to just license the production of 207 F-104Gs instead?
If the F-104J would have been identical to the F-104G, it would have been designated F-104G.
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beautiful rendering! Can you do a full ramp start?
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Considering you can hang a FFAR pod under a T-33, that hardly makes it a strike aircraft in my book
The F-104J F-15J-31 fire control radar lacked the dedicated air-to-ground modes of the F15A-41B installed in the F-104G, which did provide support to drop Mk84, Mk83, MK82 and Mk117 bombs, CBU-33 cluster bombs, Napalm canisters and even B-61 atomic weapons.
I don’t know if the F-104J had the pylon wiring removed as well or altered to only allow wiring up of the AIM-9B? If not, the F-104J would have still been technically of dropping bombs but without fire control radar, I doubt it would have been any more effective than tossing bombs out of a biplane.
Let me reverse the question - if this was a myth, why would Lockheed bother to design the F-104J, given that it would have been cheaper to just license the production of 207 F-104Gs instead?
If the F-104J would have been identical to the F-104G, it would have been designated F-104G.
Hello,
I wonder if you read my posts…
I never said F-104J had the same air to ground capabilities than F-104G. F-104J was an interceptor which still had some very basic air to surface capability, including machine gun and rockets. I even never saw Eiko carrying freefall bomb, while Jieitai pilots had air to ground training with BDU-33/SUU-21 on F-104DJ. F-104J was designed to climb fast and deliver her Sidewinders. But, some limited light attack capabilities remained. That’s all. I never said something else.
Regards,
Radium
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Here’s a great documentary on the Starfighter
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Well… This video really made me… I wanted to punch the speaking puppets so much that I didn’t watched everything… What was the purpose of this? It looks like 90’ video show… Sorry, I hated this!
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Not a documentary, it is an episode of MST3K Season 6 Episode 12 making fun of a horrible 1964 movie called “The Starfighters” about a pilot who is the son of a congressman.
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Well, it wasn’t his fault, after all. :lol:
With best regards,
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The F-104 is my favourite single engine above Mach 1 jet and I look very much forward to this plane. I can offer to research and send fotos, text/videos about the German F-104G if needed…otherwise I trust Radium and TOPOLO…and am glad Nordic offers an F-104 already.
Can’t wait to check TOPOLO’s FM and the end result, sooo hope it gets its own cockpit.
(Cockpit nerd here like some dude from Japan with a fetish for rock n roll can copnfirm)…Carry on
Old times! F-104s. !
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PS: Sorry for typos BMS staff, my recent keyb. sucks, will aim at getting better in that regime.
Kind greets
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The F-104 is my favourite single engine above Mach 1 jet and I look very much forward to this plane. I can offer to research and send fotos, text/videos about the German F-104G if needed…otherwise I trust Radium and TOPOLO…and am glad Nordic offers an F-104 already.
Can’t wait to check TOPOLO’s FM and the end result, sooo hope it gets its own cockpit.
(Cockpit nerd here like some dude from Japan with a fetish for rock n roll can copnfirm)…Carry on
Old times! F-104s. !
Who knows… Who knows what could be done…
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Who knows… Who knows what could be done…
…which would be very awesome, given the value of your outside model work and TOPOLO’s FM work.
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One sexy metal plane chick there! This is- despite interest for jets like the Viper/Tomcat/Hornet and Tiger- one of the iconic planes of the jet aka fighter /edge of the envelope challenge itching planes since 1953/54…the main missing link between early 50s jets like the Sabre and the high performance jet era - and - for really interested chaps - the ONLY century series plane with wide sales and post 60s / even 80s service…that’s why I like “her” so much and did so even in FF days.
Well, long talk short, glad that here and in another non BMS forum this jet is mkept “sim” alive.Chrs
Tom
Notwithstanding the fact that the Viper would kick its ass in most regimes…:) Itching my love for 60s jets almost as much as my hurt foot itches my mind.:(
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…may he who was banned come back ASAP.
Cheers
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I am back dear friends!
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Welcome back
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OH yea…
I find that scheme oddly reminiscent of an italian brand of chocolates