Curiosity Poll - How much did you spent for HOTAS (stick and thruttle)
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Yup…you need a $1K+ mark.
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Last I checked, $1000+ was $500+
Having said that, my current HOTAS was £200 but I voted $500+, as it will be Fcc3 soon.
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@A.S:
… Impressive, never thought majority spent more than 500$ …
The majority spend more than 350$ to be correct (24.62%+26.15%>50%). Roughly one quarter spend more than 500$.
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The sample is very low to come to a valid conclusion.
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The pool rises some interesting thinking. I have right now a feeling that the owners of expensive HOTAS systems are over represented since they may want to give their vote to show that they own such expensive systems, while users with cheaper systems may not give give their vote, because they give a s*** whether their HOTAS is good or not. Moreover, 65 votes may NOT properly represent 4975 users of this forum. BUT imagine if the distribution shown by this pool is correct: Half of the 4975 active users in this forum own a +350$ HOTAS, i.e. taking an average value of about 500$ per system, the market value of all these expensive systems is slight above one million dollars. Not really impressive, isn´t it?
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good points
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Welcome to the world of analytics…
Garbage in, garbage out. And if you torture the data enough, it will confess to anything.This is why the vocal 5% can skew reality away from the silent majority
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Last I checked, $1000+ was $500+
Having said that, my current HOTAS was £200 but I voted $500+, as it will be Fcc3 soon.
…guess it depends on how much you want to know…I’m guessing that most (if not all) in the $500+ also bin into $1K+. I know I do, and when Kukki comes through with his rudder pedal replicas…well…I’m preparing for $2K+ for a new set of pedals. Alone.
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The pool rises some interesting thinking. I have right now a feeling that the owners of expensive HOTAS systems are over represented since they may want to give their vote to show that they own such expensive systems, while users with cheaper systems may not give give their vote, because they give a s*** whether their HOTAS is good or not. Moreover, 65 votes may NOT properly represent 4975 users of this forum. BUT imagine if the distribution shown by this pool is correct: Half of the 4975 active users in this forum own a +350$ HOTAS, i.e. taking an average value of about 500$ per system, the market value of all these expensive systems is slight above one million dollars. Not really impressive, isn´t it?
1. People can vote without revealing if they have an expensive HOTAS or a cheap one… AFAIK, the poll results are anonymous.
2. Not caring whether their HOTAS is good or not is like saying not caring whether they hit the target or not. The HOTAS is the interface between pilot and aircraft. Cheaping out on that is like buying a $2,000 PC with a 34" 4K monitor then using a VGA cable to connect the PC to the monitor…
3. Market value only for BMS… obviously, stuff like FSX/P3D/XP11, DCS, Elite Dangerous, IL2, etc. are also markets for HOTAS… combined, it may be more impressive than you think. -
…guess it depends on how much you want to know…I’m guessing that most (if not all) in the $500+ also bin into $1K+. I know I do, and when Kukki comes through with his rudder pedal replicas…well…I’m preparing for $2K+ for a new set of pedals. Alone.
Yeah, I think you’re into $+1K just for your simpit alone
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, stuff like FSX/P3D/XP11, DCS, Elite Dangerous, IL2, etc. are also markets for HOTAS… combined, it may be more impressive than you think.
yeaouupp !
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Yeah, I think you’re into $+1K just for your simpit alone
…you have no idea…and I’m trying not to remember!
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That’s always for the best
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big boys = big toys
… same with sim-racing (which is goood fun nowadays looking at the amazing physics fidelity - iRacing, PCars2 etc)
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I could build an F1 sim for peanuts compared to what I’ve spent on my Viperpit…
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Studying causes of poll bias and so forth is interesting and all, but I’m not too surprised given two things:
-If you’ve spent a crapton of money on hardware, you’re going to naturally want to let people know about it.
-Falcon BMS isn’t exactly a casual video game here - it’s developed into a serious sim for devoted simmers, the kind of people who would blow hundreds, if not thousands on a cockpit setup in the first place.@A.S:
They are outdated and the toe-brake sensors “blow”, but the foot spacing and other sensors rock.
The centering mechanism (bolt and rails) wear over time (metal over plastic), this is why i put steel-bars on the “centering legs” (iron on iron now). Also, the stopping (maximum angle) was lame… that is why i added own “blockers”.I’d like some pics of your mods, as while I haven’t noticed too much in terms of centering wear, I definitely have noticed the electrical deadzones on each end that still leave a significant amount of pedal travel. Seems like a weird oversight.
My set’s the less fancy Vario without toebrakes, but hey, what’s to stop me from modding in my own set of toe brakes with whatever sensors I want to use? It’s even wired up such that the Cougar controller board thinks it has toebrakes when it doesn’t, so if I just tap into the right pins on the DB-15 cable…
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[…] while users with cheaper systems may not give give their vote, because they give a s*** whether their HOTAS is good or not.
I think you’re selling those on cheaper gear a little short there. I’m sure they very much care about the quality of their HOTAS but not everybody is able to spend that much on a Cougar or Warthog, let alone additional mods. That doesn’t mean that those with more budget orientated HOTAS care less or are any less committed to their flightsims. However, you are right that those folks may shy away from replying all together.
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hmmm as i said around 150-250 maybe more if i had but 2 years ago i was lucky and i found a cougar used (not too much) for a 150 here in Greece not modded unfortunatelly, the guy was selling it cause he didnt fly anymore. I reckon it must be a bit old as some things started to fall apart a bit as the lever that sets the friction for the throtle but i manage to fix it. And to tell the truth if ill go for a new one ill go for an Saitek or something else. Not WH i dont like it too much. I wish thrustmaster would bring the cougar back one day!
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wish thrustmaster would bring the cougar back one day!
+1. !!
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I think you’re selling those on cheaper gear a little short there. I’m sure they very much care about the quality of their HOTAS but not everybody is able to spend that much on a Cougar or Warthog, let alone additional mods. That doesn’t mean that those with more budget orientated HOTAS care less or are any less committed to their flightsims. However, you are right that those folks may shy away from replying all together.
@Tazz: You read me wrong here (or I expressed myself not clear, which is more probable, since English is not my mother tongue). I was trying to say that owners of cheaper systems, less than 250 dollars will not brag about their gear as owners of more expensive systems. The important thing for them is that the system is working and allowing them to perform well in the sim. The HOTAS itself is not the “focus” of their hobby.
I was until 2012/2013 the owner of X52 and X52pro before moving to a more expensive HOTAS. I can tell you [contrary to what ICE wrote in his reply above ([I]“Not caring whether their HOTAS is good or not is like saying not caring whether they hit the target or not.”) ], my skills and combat performance did NOT change because I got a more expensive HOTAS. So, a X52, a cheap system below 180 dollars, will not prevent you of hitting any targets! The only reason, in my opinion, to buy a more expensive system, is it will be more close to the “real thing”.
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- The pool has now 85 votes, and the population (active users) in the BMS forum is 4865 right now. 85 votes give a margin of error of about 10% for this population, and assuming a confidence error of 95%. Right now, the pool shows that 48% of the voters have systems pricing above 350 dollars. Assuming again an average price of 500 dollars, that gives a market value for the expensive systems of about US$1.2 millions. Still not impressive, in my opinion.
- Point given, this value is only for BMS users. Lets take a look on DCS. The DCS forums have about 62.072 users. No information available on how many are active, but lets assume it is the same as in BMS (17%). So, from DCS, we have more 5094 users with expensive systems, which totals to a market value of about US$2.5 milllions. Ok, that is more interesting. Specially, if added to the BMS’s 1.2 millions…3.7millions.
-Of course, several users in BMS and DCS are on both forums, and the market value will probably be smaller than 3.7 millions. Other sims like MFS, X-Plane, etc, according to net search this week, have a minor number of owners of expensive HOTAS. My sampling focused on forums and sub forums on military ops. Asked some friends, and looked at some signatures. Very few. Besides, those flying MFS/X-Plane/etc, with expensive HOTAS also fly DCS (and perhaps BMS), and I would be counting two times in my analysis.
-My estimation gives that market value of HOTAS systems with prices averaging 500 dollars must be around 3-4 millions of dollars. The question now, is that much?
-An User does not buy usually new (expensive) HOTAS every year. On the contrary, they are bought and used several years. So, these $3-4 millions are probably spread several years, which says a lot about the interest of companies on this market.