Israel 1980s - UOAF edition
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Yeah that’s a real interesting idea actually.
For the third campaign, This is what I was thinking:
In our alternate reality, the peace talks after the Yom Kippur war didn’t work out and Israel never withdrew from the Sinai. The Soviet Union continues to support Egypt.
Very soon after Israel obtains F-16’s in 1980, Egypt and Syria simultaneously surprise-attack Israel again. So you’ve got two fronts: Egypt at the Suez canal and Syria pushing through the Golan heights. Basically the October War II with more modern weapons. Not sure about the feasibility of this in BMS, but we’ll see. We need to learn alot about manipulating the trigger files first.Great idea!
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Hey Gas, quick thought. Not sure how much you can do about cockpits and aircraft, but it seems to me that the Kfir being a Mirage variant would be more at home with the Mirage 2000 cockpit. Given that the hardpoints are as far as I can tell the same, that would make the over the shoulder glances feel less out of place when you fly it.
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Yeah good point Tirak, will try that out
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Don’t build two-fronts cam, cam AI gets confused. We’ve learned the lesson from ITO2 mod.
Old kfir can use a10 pit. Only latest modernized model fits m2k pit.
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I’m not sure I understand, are you saying that there’s a technical limitation or that it’s not era appropriate? If it’s a technical limitation, that’s a real shame. If it has to do with era appropriateness, then I have to say I’d prefer the Mirage 2000 cockpit to the A-10 if for no other reason than when looking over my shoulder I’d see an aircraft at least vaguely resembling the Kfir i’m pretending to fly in, vs seeing the broad flat wings and top mounted engines of the Hog.
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No worry.
I mean using a10 interior main cockpit.
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Ah, bummer about the campaign limitation……
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I like the idea of throwing Iran into the mix. Just a whole coalition of Muslim countries trying to swallow Israel and you’ve got to fend them all off.
Iran could be like a Day 2 or Day 3 conditional add-on, deploying forces to Syria as Syria is their known ally. (In fact, Iranian forces deployed to Iraq and Syria to conduct combat operations against ISIS). It would be awesome to go toe-to-toe with Tomcats, F-5s, Phantoms…. (Mirage F1s didn’t appear of course until 1991 as they are all former Iraqi Air Force planes, the same goes for the Soviet equipment such as MiG-29s, SU-25s, Su-24s, etc.)
I’ll report on FPS later as I’ve just purchased an i7 3770 combo as upgrade for my old Q9550.
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So I downloaded the latest version and the 88 campaign no longer uses flyable F-16Cs? Only F-16D? Seems like AI can still use the C. Can you add another squadron that uses the C?
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I’m not sure about that problem, but in the current gitlab build 9a59e91b there are two F-16C squadrons in 88, the 110th and 117th, so it will be fixed soon. If you’d like it to be fixed immediately, use gitlab.
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I am using the version from gitlab downloaded the entire full thing last night.
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Could it be a bug? I upgraded to U4 last night as well. I am 100% running 9a59e91b (just double checked)
Here’s a screenshot.
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Nevermind! I didn’t actually realize you could select other airfields! lol!
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No problem. Great to hear people are using gitlab as well, cool
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In the 1988 campaign description, wouldn’t “supplied” be better than “supplemented”?
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Not really? Its not exclusively western equipment
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An Iranian F14 joining the war in Syria on day 2 or 3 would be a whole other level in coolness.
I have flown probably 15 missions in each of the First 2 campaigns and it is awesome fun. So much better than I thought it was going to be.
SAM placement in Syria is excellent and SAMS in general feel good.
One thing I have noticed. F4 phantoms will frequently maneuver kill themselves when trying to evade missiles on Ace.
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If two front campaigns don’t work, (damn it) the third campaign isn’t going to be another Syria. It will have the FLOT at the Suez canal so that some October War style battles can play out. There is a whole western portion of Egypt that doesn’t see much action in ITO, that I’d like to utilize.
I do love the idea of Iranian F-14’s but will that mess with the “authenticity” of Peace for Galilee? Then again, as I’ve mentioned, it’s not authentic for Israel to start pummeling military and industrial infrastructure in Syria, so maybe that could trigger Iranian response….? Idk I’ll do some research on Iranian military and stuff, just spitballing
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One thing I have noticed. F4 phantoms will frequently maneuver kill themselves when trying to evade missiles on Ace.
I’ve had IDF F-4s killing themselves on take-off. So they take off in a northerly direction, trying to turn south immediately after take-off and they just stall and lawn dart. I’ve seen it a few times now. I’ve never seen Korean F-4s do that in the KTO campaigns though?!
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Oh jeez… I’ll put F4 behavior on the list. Should compare their flight model files to see what is different. We haven’t edited them.