Kuznetsov aircraft carrier - How can i destroy it ?
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Sounds like fun:headb:
Is this campaign or TE? What theater if it’s campaign?
On the debrief all flight members got 100% hit on KIROV & SOVREMENNY battle ships but didn’t get credit for destroying the ships (on the AI MAP they gone).
This is the weird 2d bug. From what I’ve observed, the Debrief damaged/destroyed is correct. If you want to you can film it and later zoom in on all the ships to see which were on fire.
On fire is a destroyed, as they will disappear from the 3D in 10 minutes.
Good luck.
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@Axe:
Sounds like fun:headb:
Is this campaign or TE? What theater if it’s campaign?
The mission was very intense, with mig-33 and other fighters that was lunched from the carrier.
Luckely i had it covered by a DCA flights i created in the area.The campaign is BALKAN.
I don’t like to record the flight and observed it later . . . i leave some element of surprise to the campaign. It is more exiting this way, for me atlist
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Definitely let us know how it goes. Sounds like you have a plan that will work, especially if you can pick out who’s who in the group.
For me it’s easy with FCR from 30 miles out. I know who’s who and what direction they travel. But I know that I cannot attack from rear. My WEZ ain’t good enough for that.
Those Sovremennys can haul butt. And they shoot back. The others move pretty good too, just not like the Sovremenny.:o
My way used to work in Balkans campaign, but that was 4.32 and may not work anymore. Either these ships seem tougher or I lost my edge for it.
I just downloaded Balkans and will find out. I hope it ain’t me:p
I do remember the 33’s but can’t remember how I dealt with that though.
Keep going with it, that’s what it takes…… (you wouldn’t believe how many flight hours I have on just this since early fall.)
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@Axe:
Keep going with it, that’s what it takes…… (you wouldn’t believe how many flight hours I have on just this since early fall.)
Yeh, this is now my focus. i will keep doing missions until this carrier is destroyed.
Axe, i still didn’t get answer to how you approached the carrier with AGM-65, what flight level u were ?
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Yeah I felt you had the focus on it.
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no flight, I go solo and make however many trips it takes to kill em all. AI wing can’t do what I’m doing.
Yes sa n 6 fired, and 7’s. They can be defeated.
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Ok, thanks man for your info
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you’re welcome. I’m really glad to see someone doing what I love to do. Sink ships:-D
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There was SAM fired at your flight ?
If you don’t make mistakes, sometimes I’m in and out without being fired on at all.
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regev- I need help. Balkans installed but no carriers at start of any campaign. Which one are you in, and is there a time for it to show up.
I don’t see in OOB or map.
thanks. I want to start in the right one.
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I’m on Balance Of Power.
The carrier & its surronding ships shows up on day 2, at about 6AM.
When the time comes give report on how yours carrier attacks went. meanwhile you got abot 20-30 naval ships units (mainely patrol ships) to have fun with
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Thank you! I can be content with patrol, heck, it’s a ship too!!!
I hope to report a success, I’ll be back!
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Target destroyed !!!
The second mission with multiple agm-84 did the trick.
I counted 13 ‘Bruiser’ calls, so it was a massive attack. -
Congrats!!, I bet that was something to be a part of and see unfolding like that. Massive, lol , heck yeah!! massive is good.
Was there no friendly losses, those sams are tough.?
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@Axe:
Was there no friendly losses, those sams are tough.?
When the carrier was opperative, the SAM of its defence is very lethal.
The problem is that there is no warning on the RWR and of missile inbound, you just get hit suddenly and in a matter of seconds the aircraft is exploded. Both times i was hit i managed to eject safelly, i reacted fast.
Thats why i focused on the FXXXXing carrier, it made me madddd -
If youre looking to get up close and personal. Frag a flight of growlers just on the edge of the ship’s engagement zone. Should make it easier to sneak in at a low alt <100 ft. Once you get in close enough you WILL get fired on! However you should have speed on your side which if done properly you can out manuever the AD easily because they are just starting to climb for target acquisition. Watch for smoke trails and manuever accordingly. Then unleash your 65Ds in vis mode and escape the same way you came in. And watch you back on the egress.
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I’m on Balance Of Power.
…[When the time comes give report on how yours carrier attacks went….]
Balkans Campaign BOP Day 4
Kuznetsov Carrier Group arrives late in Day 3. Not going for him during dark of night.
Single F-16CM-50, multiple sorties, ultra low altitude attack.
Palese Airport is my base, target is 100 miles east.
Not going to carry extra fuel. Going to put down at Casale Airbase. AGM 65G load out.Attack on Kuznetsov begins 06:53 Day 4
06:53 mission 1 flying to the east in the morning made targeting difficult. Almost blind and HUD mostly washed out. Took 4 65G’s but should have only loaded 2. Got 2 off, Targeted Kirov, got one hit and mistakenly 1 hit on Kuznetsov. Played it safe and RTB.
07:30 mission 2 Loaded 2 Mavs but aborted mission halfway to target, due to too much enemy air activity.
08:11 mission 3 Targeted the Kirov and got the 2 hits. Loaded only 2 Mav’s out of deserved respect for the Kirov. You can not be fiddling with slewing 4 mav’s going for him. Got 2 off and got OUT.
08:44 mission 4 Targeted the Kuznetzov and got 4 hits. The Group is in real trouble at this point. Basically already beaten.
09:27 mission 5 Loaded 4 65 G’s and got 2 hits on a Sovremenny, and 2 hits on another Sovremenny.
10:09 mission 6 Loaded 4 65 G’s and got 2 hits each on the last 2 Sovremennys.RTB 10:41 and Carrier is gone from 3d map and OOB.
The TE training paid off. It was necessary to time entry into the fight carefully. Twice I modified flight path to avoid enemy air, and once just had to abort a mission.
A few sams were launched, but was not hit.
The 33’s were in the area until the Kuznetsov was sunk.It sure is a lot of fun to take on this challenge. It would really be fun with several human pilots all going in low at the same time. Man would that be a hoot
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Command Modern Air/Naval Operations is a lot better suited to look at these questions. While you can’t occupy a plane in first-person like you can in BMS, the damage, sensor, and weapons modelling is far superior to BMS for TASMO operations. Taking on a carrier battle group is a very daunting task. You face a multilayer SAM threat, hostile aircraft, and then any launched weapons face a fierce missile and CIWS screen. Mavericks have inadequate range, have no capability to avoid defensive fire, and the warheads are a joke for capital ships. You really have to bring Harpoons. Here’s an after-action from some scenarios I ran a few years ago trying to just take down the Kirov alone. It took 14 ships of F-16s. I expect it would take at least a squadron of F-16s to take out a full carrier battle group. Here’s a link to the CMANO scenarios if anyone is interested:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApPsQLVO18yXg0aJEcZqKaonwOcq
https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApPsQLVO18yXg0VOC8xfMB3bE4FWI ran a few scenarios in Command. For the first I ran a 4-ship armed with AGM-65Gs (Command only models real-world loadouts, so each aircraft only had 2 AGMs). The Kirov has some pretty fierce SAMs, but the F-16s piloted by Ace-level BMS-grade pilots defeated them. The Mavericks weren’t so lucky. Despite being quite small, the SAMs were able to successfully destroy most of them. The one that got through caused only (very) minor damage. I then ran a 4-ship armed with Harpoons. These did much better and the F-16’s could launch from stand-off range and turn and run away from the SAMs. However, with 4 shooters, you only get 8 missiles. These were all destroyed either by the SAMs or the CIWS. I finally ran a 12 ship armed with Harpoons with a second 2 ship for targeting (the range of the missile is about 2x the F-16’s detection range). This worked and several missiles got through. I can post some screen-caps if anyone’s interested.
CMANO is a great high-level sim for anyone who loved Harpoon.
-Rabbit
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rabbit’s right, realistically speaking you won’t actually use AGM-65(anything) to target a surface combatant. i doubt they will have any trouble zapping such a slow moving missile, or you for that matter.
even harpoons are probably going to have trouble. it’s an old missile. unless you have a pretty decent sized strike package it might be easier to use a sub, or just to ignore it (i mean, what’s it going to do anyway?)