EMF for 4.33 U1
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Since I have lost contact with almost all EMF devs (except Cannon, who joined the Ikaros dev team) for almost a year, this is my last attempt to officially request some 3D models to be included in Ikaros theater. It is pitty to see these models rust in EMF at the moment, hence I request to include them in Ikaros theater. It will save us time. If someone from the EMF dev team is still lurking here and might answer with a yes or no, it would be appreciated.
However, if I get no reply within a month, I will proceed…
mmmhh
1. the BMS forum is not the place to request things from the EMF team
2. A lack of answer from the said EMF dev here doesn’t grant you acceptance to proceed
3. You all seem to assume that models are rusting in EMF, but you can’t be sure that EMF is indeed abandonned? Did we see a statement about this from the EMF team? Furthermore, abandonware doesn’t give anyone the right to use it for their own use.
4. this is not a request but a statement - what is the constructive value of such statement?I’m not interested to know who created these models or the fight between the dozen group developing a greek terrain, because i don’t care,
but the statement i read here above is just rude and I don’t think that the BMS forum is the right place for it.If you need a 3D model you can’t get agreement to use, the BMS forum policy is to just create it on your own.
I would hate to close down the Ikaros terrain because of some ridiculous 3D model issues -
Guys please excuse Mystic . This was mostly a request. For sure Ikaros team will not use anything without permission.
Let’s just close this subject here and not give any further explanations or assumptions.
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@Red:
mmmhh
1. the BMS forum is not the place to request things from the EMF team
2. A lack of answer from the said EMF dev here doesn’t grant you acceptance to proceed
3. You all seem to assume that models are rusting in EMF, but you can’t be sure that EMF is indeed abandonned? Did we see a statement about this from the EMF team? Furthermore, abandonware doesn’t give anyone the right to use it for their own use.
4. this is not a request but a statement - what is the constructive value of such statement?I’m not interested to know who created these models or the fight between the dozen group developing a greek terrain, because i don’t care,
but the statement i read here above is just rude and I don’t think that the BMS forum is the right place for it.If you need a 3D model you can’t get agreement to use, the BMS forum policy is to just create it on your own.
I would hate to close down the Ikaros terrain because of some ridiculous 3D model issuesI totally agree with you RD, BUT I have to clarify the term “abandoned”. I have great difficulty identifying myself anymore as an active member of emf devs, simply because every effort I made to come in touch with the Project Manager (aka “Deathdealer”) was unsuccessful the past 1.5 years, via multiple channels (emails, dev forum, phone calls etc.). It was just when BMS 4.33 came out and the emf project needed radical dev support for the DB conversion.
I understand that Real Life issues of at least 3 vital devs (as far as I know) prevented them of dealing with the work needed to be done every time a new BMS release involved DB conversion.
Lately I posted this, where I also strongly believe that CONSTANT support of BMS theaters is needed, so that theaters can survive. If some theater devs cannot cope with this, it is more DECENT at least to announce it, than become a “zombie”. Or publicly permit others to carry-on with their work!
I personally tried many times to revive any interest of other devs to continue, but I saw that we were simply just not enough for a project like that. Recruitment was never my job there, so I cannot answer why we where so few for such a big project. The real sentimental blow for me was the moment I saw the emf’s website and forums not working anymore (public and dev), without ANY former notice, at least internally to its remaining devs. So many work-hours to that project, deserved AT LEAST a decent burial.I decided granding permission to Mystic to use my skinless 3d models I made for emf, simply because I didn’t want to see them rot inside a corpse. I thought a lot before agreeing to that, because it implied the past agreement I made with emf dev. But when I tried to get ANY response from emf’s PM concerning this matter, I was totally ignored along with a couple more devs who where trying to figure out where emf was heading to. Even now, I dare anyone from emf’s project management to come publicly forward and speak for this “zombie”, for once!
IKAROS is heading forward, with or without some emf’s models, simply because it has a good balance of manpower vs. project size. Manpower which is willing to ADAPT and fearlessly PASS-ON KNOWLEDGE to others, in order to survive.
Excuse me if this post is out of the BMS forum’s scope or sounds rude, but I really see NO OTHER way to contact and shake my fellow emf dev team project managers…
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Thanks Cannon,
I understand the issue and i sympathize with the cause, Although i definitely think it would have been better to solve your commitment to EMF first no matter what, I mostly agree with the rest and believe it or not I invested hundreths of hours in EMF as well doing all the charts, placing vortacs and doing the interactive map. All of it is equally lost energy as your work for EMF.
Maybe also the fact that EMf is not suppported today is not only the lack of spare time from the dev, but also some frustration about the way things evolved and the way some individuals or group behaved while testing EMF ?
What i don’t agree with is the burst method i read above. This was uncalled for and i couldn’t let it go unanswered as it was clearly involving BMS forum in the fact that with no answer the Ikaros team de facto took the right to use EMF material. We can’t let that happen it would have made BMS de facto responsible for Ikaros action and it is not our intention do act like that. We have no whish to be dragged into this issue.
I respect both team and I wish both team would respect each other as well. Respect also means communication and loyalty.
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@Red:
in the fact that with no answer the Ikaros team de facto took the right to use EMF material
Just to put some light here. That was never happened as you write it RD. Shortly after 16th & some EMF Devs joined Ikaros theater development team, I took the whole theater from their original devs. At this state it had only Ikaros copyrighted material, and no other models, specifically from EMF. The past 6 months I was working on the DB to expand it as necessary, again not using any of EMF models. Last week the theater & db was passed to Mystic, in order to continue adding his stuff, so now we are in a point to search (again) and ask around EMF devs officially if we can use any of its models to Ikaros. No models, skins etc are to be included in a public release without permissions, this is understood and accepted by all devs as standard.
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No models, skins etc are to be included in a public release without permissions, this is understood and accepted by all devs as standard.
then all is fine, thank you for the clarification.
My reaction was triggered by the comments in bold which seem to go, under my understanding, against your clarification.
Since I have lost contact with almost all EMF devs (except Cannon, who joined the Ikaros dev team) for almost a year, this is my last attempt to officially request some 3D models to be included in Ikaros theater. It is pitty to see these models rust in EMF at the moment, hence I request to include them in Ikaros theater. It will save us time. If someone from the EMF dev team is still lurking here and might answer with a yes or no, it would be appreciated
However, if I get no reply within a month, I will proceed…
Let’s say it was an overeaction which is now corrected.
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Hi guys I’m a newbie of this flight sim,
could you tell me if this theatre works with Falcon_BMS_4.33_U4?
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Nope it doesn’t
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Anyone knows about Acid Rain whereabouts ? Haven’t heard of him since msn messenger disappeared…
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Ask Leech.