Tactics, tips, knowledge sharing.
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@Lift~Vector:
Chk here on how the missile works.It is great article.Then you will be able to deduce it,s capabilities better than I can.
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/content.php?150-AMRAAM-Pilot-Guide
Yes I’ve read that article and it says nothing about firing at data-linked targets. And from my point of view there’s no logical reason why it shouldnt be possible. Spooky commented that the datalink is’nt a “tracking solution” but i disagree. The datalink target contains everything your computer needs to guide the missile to the target (altitude, range, vector, speed and attitude; right?). Again as i wrote before, the Amraam is guided by commands through a data link between your fighter and the missile. It is’nt radar beam-riding or anything else like other missiles, so in theory it isnt dependent on your radar. I’m sorry that i hijacked this thread because it wasnt meant to discuss this particular thing, maybe we should move it to a new thread?
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I have read the comments of the other on this thread and i agree with them, i don’t think it works like that in real life.
from my understanding of the AIM-120 mechanics, the missile when it is shot is fed via datalink from the radar of the F-16. So basically it passes on to him information in a silent way if you are in TWS mode.
But i don’t think with the knowledge i have on this that the missile can guide on datalink information solely, it needs a radar connection.
You can actually assign a target via datalink to your wingman, but the wingman has actually to lock on the target.
Data link, gives only data information, but not tracking solution.
this is what i think and guess from what i know.
IRL its possible to fire an AMRAAM and have your wingman guide it to the tgt because a few years back an exercise was run using F22s and Superhornets. The superhornet just carried lots of Aim120s and acted as launch platforms for the AMRAAMs while the F22s must have used TWS to engage multiple tgts at once. The exercise had more than twice the number of enemy aircraft and from what I recall they won. Although it was an exercise I think from that there must be a way to guide 120s via datalink etc. Can’t remember the exercise name etc its on the net somewhere.
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I don,t doubt the verbosity of your statement SUBS.And to RagnarDa my point was how can we deduce if you can or can,t….Not that I know for sure one way or the other.Because in the article the author puts emphasis on the statement “guided by the HOST platform”.But the missile as we know receives update data from a datalink with the launching A/C.If in turn this data comes from a buddy A/C would not the data be the same.I agree yes.But the data would not be timely or as accurately updated to the track file would be my concern.But what would be the point if you were not in position to fire and get a kill.And would you not have better results with your own data from TWS mode.If the goal was simply to fire undetected?After all that is the whole point of using TWS .
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Yes I’ve read that article and it says nothing about firing at data-linked targets. And from my point of view there’s no logical reason why it shouldnt be possible. Spooky commented that the datalink is’nt a “tracking solution” but i disagree. The datalink target contains everything your computer needs to guide the missile to the target (altitude, range, vector, speed and attitude; right?). Again as i wrote before, the Amraam is guided by commands through a data link between your fighter and the missile. It is’nt radar beam-riding or anything else like other missiles, so in theory it isnt dependent on your radar. I’m sorry that i hijacked this thread because it wasnt meant to discuss this particular thing, maybe we should move it to a new thread?
This is the right thread,
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So it pretty much comes down the quality and speed of the data-link between you and your buddy? If nothing else the missile guidance when firing on a DL-target would not be as good as if the target info was from the missiles own platform. Since no-one of us actually knows how it is in IRL (i guess?) we sort of have to rely on educated guesswork or deduction as you put it. But the more I think of it, i realise that IF its possible to fire Amraams on DL-targets then it should be in the sim because its a pretty HUGE deal. I dont think it would be a very big thing coding-wise to be able to “lock-up” DL-targets thats already in the FCR-display anyway. Also, imagine F-22’s firing at targets locked-up by AWACS (scary isnt it?).
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LOL…Nice point…:)!
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Going back to what I wrote before about head-on engagement I did a few preliminary test flights with a F-16A block 30 (armed with AIM-7 Sparrows) vs F-15C and i noticed a lot is different from LOMAC:FC2. First of all its a lot more difficult to find him on the radar and lock him up, also almost impossible to maintain the lock until you are really close (he tries to jam you which he doesnt in LOMAC). The snaking-maneuver doesnt work as it zips the F-16s energy really quickly. The Amraam seems a little bit easier to escape even though he fires them closer to you. The AI acts very differently: the first thing i noticed is that he didnt seem to be as consistent as in LOMAC and did different things each time (wich is good). In LOMAC he would fire on you and continue straight at you. In FBMS he closes in but as soon as the Amraam goes pitbull he seems to break 180 and run away. He’s much less aggressive in FBMS which is something you could take advantage of. Also, he often double-fired at me, but he fired too close together so if you defeat the first one, you also defeat the second one. And the Sparrow pretty much suck now when you are used to the Amraam Esp because maintaining lock was so difficult. All in all i found it a little bit easier do to kill him here than in LOMAC but I havent yet tried it with him being Ace-AI skill… Well, if you consider using up all your fuel and 5 or 6 missiles to take down one bandit easy
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vids guys vids…
As per request:
https://rapidshare.com/files/1662830974/The_barrel_and_the_snake.WMVThere seems to be something wrong with the sound if you play the film in VLC. Windows Media Player works fine though!
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Thanks mate, really good for me , i liked it
very nice shot on the F-15 c and noce evasive manouver .
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Good Job and nice Tactics!
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@Lift~Vector:
I don,t doubt the verbosity of your statement SUBS.And to RagnarDa my point was how can we deduce if you can or can,t….Not that I know for sure one way or the other.Because in the article the author puts emphasis on the statement “guided by the HOST platform”.But the missile as we know receives update data from a datalink with the launching A/C.If in turn this data comes from a buddy A/C would not the data be the same.I agree yes.But the data would not be timely or as accurately updated to the track file would be my concern.But what would be the point if you were not in position to fire and get a kill.And would you not have better results with your own data from TWS mode.If the goal was simply to fire undetected?After all that is the whole point of using TWS .
Yes and no, This theoretically allows you to loft from cover and allows you to fly noe/covered and improve your chances of being undetected while your wingman … or another flight … or say… awacs feeds you targeting information.
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this is also a feature in the 6g as per what I understand, a legacy fighter can paint a target and the f35 can shoot in that general direction and the slammer will get handed off. It’s mostly about insulating the need for the stealth fleet to emit to guide weapons.