Good Quality and Good Performance Guide - NVIDIA
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Catching up with this thread again I tried all the suggestions… sadly most of them did absolutely nothing (2-3fps at most, then non-reproducible) on my system:
o core i7 2700k Socket 1155 @ 3,50GHz
o GeForce 1070ti
o 24GB DDR RAM
o win7
o RTT Remote mfd / YAME64 v1.2 gauges extractionI’m getting around 75 fps in “instant action / moving mud” no matter the settings. On busy campi flights fps drop to 25 on the ground, but it’s still well flyable. In the air, it averages about 50-60 fps (no tgp / wpn displays active)
Should I be expecting more from my system?
All the best, Uwe
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Hoover what is your resolution?
You can pump your cpu up to 5Ghz and be stable m8.
For starters with air cooling and BMS you will be fine at 4.2ghz.
Don’t expect that much but it will hold better your low fps.I have the 2600k and 980ti.
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Hello Arty,
I’m running at 1920x1080 (native 27" monitor resolution).
I’ve tried overclocking the CPU but it won’t budge beyond 3,6GHz (although monitoring the CPU frequency in Linux I see the cores spike to up to 3,85 GHz, so something seems to be working :))
I bought a a really good cooler (60€) as well just to be on the safe side…
All the best, Uwe
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Hi,
Have you tried disabling Vertical Sync from BMS graphics settings?
I play without V-Sync. At the moment it’s an old philips 22" 1080p D-sub only monitor, connected with DVI-A to D-Sub cabel. Yesterday I ordered a new G-sync 1080p monitor so next week I can check again.
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well that maybe is the autoturbo.
Don’t know for sure if your mobo is the p8p67LE
but sure it can go high. plenty of guides.I believe this one is good enough:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-intel-cpus/1100100-info-intel-2500k-2600k-overclocking-tips.htmlJust a vital tip DON’T ALTER VOLTAGES.
Many play with those, In my mobo p8z68 I didn’t alter anything regarding voltages. All auto.
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Hoover what is your resolution?
You can pump your cpu up to 5Ghz and be stable m8.
For starters with air cooling and BMS you will be fine at 4.2ghz.
Don’t expect that much but it will hold better your low fps.I have the 2600k and 980ti.
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Hey Arty,
5ghz for any CPU is unwise. Sure, I can get my CPU to OC to 5.2+ghz but not stable. I can achieve 5ghz on 2 cores, but that is a waste. OC’ing is not for everyone nor is it the same for every CPU. Also, a CPU that runs twice as hot burns out twice as fast. Seen overclockers change out CPU’s every year or two because they simply fail due to heat (even being liquid cooled). So going supper fast will help the FPS in BMS, but not to the extent of the core engine being rebuilt to take better advantage of multithreading and compute processes.
For those of you who overclock, I have some suggestions that will help determine if your CPU can be overclocked safely and stably. First, water cooling is a must. Not just the CPU. You need dual water cooling. The CPU and the Northbridge. The Northbridge shuttles the compute calculations through the CPU and she gets supper hot when overclocking. Second, bring your overclock up slowly. Never just shove 5ghz (multiplier to 30x+) and expect everything to work (even if following an OC guide). CPU’s are different and handle overclocking differently. Some CPU’s can handle a lot of heat and compute properly and some can’t (even if they are the same CPU). They have a compute clock for each core that runs the base calculations per milisecond (some are better at dealing with high heat than others). This is what fry’s inside your CPU when things go bad. It also causes your compute errors when it overheats. All CPU’s compute errors even at normal speeds, but it auto corrects within a milisecond. But when you heat up the core clocks too high, they just spit out the errors over and over again until you BSOD or can’t even boot.
So, bring her up slowly and see what temps and compute errors you get. Use P95 (or any other CPU calculation software) and also use a CPU monitor (I use “Core Temp”) to monitor your temperatures while running P95. Start by using the multiplier. Slowly bring it up without using anything else (no voltage increasing yet). Watch your temps and compute load. If it fails to boot, then the last multiplier was your safest at std voltage. Find info on your max CPU voltage and temperatures. This is the RED LINE. IMO “NEVER” exceed the red line! If you do, it could destroy your CPU (unless your using liquid nitrogen or something crazy) or it could burn out very fast. Some CPU’s can burn out even below the red line. So, take care in this. Bump up the voltage in .4 to .6 increments. Then back to the multiplier. Once you start to see your CPU getting hot running P95, that will be your limit. Your CPU has a built in thermal limit. It will be anywhere from 80c to 90c degrees. As a rule of thumb, stay well below 80c when running P95 or you will get a “lock up” and your computer will freeze. One other thing, is your RAM clocks. Set them at there rated values. Yes, you can overclock them as well, but every time you overclock RAM, your CPU clocks will go higher (slightly) as well. Putting a fan (like I did) over your RAM is a good thing even if you do not overclock your RAM. RAM gets hot when you overclock the CPU so be aware of that.
It is about finding the sweetspot. Mine run beautiful (all 8 cores @ 4.7ghz with RAM at std speed). P95 showing 74c for over 4 hours on P95. I have thermal headroom. My CPU is almost 2 years old and doing just fine. I expect it to run 4 more years before I start seeing any major issues. But in time, I will need to replace it. That’s overclocking. So take heed in all of this. 5ghz is not something any CPU is designed for, nor can they last. More than likely, you will be changing out your CPU sooner rather than later.
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Where on earth comes that with overclocking you change your cpu every year?
My 2 previous ones i had them for more than 5 years each, current is over a year i believe and still with the same water cooling solution.
Never cooled Northbridge, good to do but not needed actually unless you go for extreme overclocking.
few months now the pump started to make serious noise and I’m looking for replacement parts.First of all if you are overclocking previous generation cpu there are tons of guides and settings for stable usage. Mine even on 4.8ghz is super stable, my only draw back is my old water cooling solution that is not good at keeping temps low on such frequencies when all cores are at 100%.
Never had a temp issue with falcon on 4.8ghz regarding temps assuming normal temperatures in the room. I’m in Greece you know and at summer it gets really hot.Now regarding finding the stable hot spot, yeap going small steps is the way, but again overclockers will have posts with settings unless you want to be the first to do it. I wouldnt buy a 9900k or newer cpu to overclock it. My budget is very low and i always get previous gen cpu and overclock it to give me a satisfactory BMS experience. BMS is the benchmark for my builds. Since its ok then I’m ok.
No need to spend xxx€ only for a cpu and x.xxx€ for mobo and ram and vga that i might use maybe 30% of it? I don’t have the money and from what i save i can from time to time buy needed peripherals, like an ssd i got few months ago.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T818A using Tapatalk
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Where on earth comes that with overclocking you change your cpu every year?
My 2 previous ones i had them for more than 5 years each, current is over a year i believe and still with the same water cooling solution.
Never cooled Northbridge, good to do but not needed actually unless you go for extreme overclocking.
few months now the pump started to make serious noise and I’m looking for replacement parts.First of all if you are overclocking previous generation cpu there are tons of guides and settings for stable usage. Mine even on 4.8ghz is super stable, my only draw back is my old water cooling solution that is not good at keeping temps low on such frequencies when all cores are at 100%.
Never had a temp issue with falcon on 4.8ghz regarding temps assuming normal temperatures in the room. I’m in Greece you know and at summer it gets really hot.Now regarding finding the stable hot spot, yeap going small steps is the way, but again overclockers will have posts with settings unless you want to be the first to do it. I wouldnt buy a 9900k or newer cpu to overclock it. My budget is very low and i always get previous gen cpu and overclock it to give me a satisfactory BMS experience. BMS is the benchmark for my builds. Since its ok then I’m ok.
No need to spend xxx€ only for a cpu and x.xxx€ for mobo and ram and vga that i might use maybe 30% of it? I don’t have the money and from what i save i can from time to time buy needed peripherals, like an ssd i got few months ago.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T818A using Tapatalk
I said in my previous post….
Seen overclockers change out CPU’s every year or two because they simply fail due to heat (even being liquid cooled).
When you push your CPU too hard, they do fail. That was my point. My set up should allow me to run where I am at for over 6 years. Possibly longer. But, after a while, an overclocked CPU will degrade faster. It is just simple physics. My third OC CPU. My last was an old AMD OC’ed to 4.2Ghz. It finally started up with compute errors some of the time. That is a sign that the CPU is near death. btw, that CPU lasted for 6+ years (without water cooling). So I say strike a balance with your OC’ing along with longevity for your $$$.
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this is my 4th oc cpu.
Old amd had major issues on overclocking and temperatures.
My first amd oc the mobo died and not the cpu actually. I got cocky and what the hell push it more bro. After some months the socket got on fire and then the cpu failed and got fried. But that was waaaaayyy old when 4ghz was like science fiction. Athlon xp era… 1600 iirc.oh and if you keep an oc system for 6+ years specially in the flight Sims is what I’m after. Ppl use stock and they upgrade what? Every 2-3 years?
To make it even worst i transitioned from new bought to used cpu mobo mem vga system. Yeap money dictates it but it works like a charm.
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this is my 4th oc cpu.
Old amd had major issues on overclocking and temperatures.
My first amd oc the mobo died and not the cpu actually. I got cocky and what the hell push it more bro. After some months the socket got on fire and then the cpu failed and got fried. But that was waaaaayyy old when 4ghz was like science fiction. Athlon xp era… 1600 iirc.oh and if you keep an oc system for 6+ years specially in the flight Sims is what I’m after. Ppl use stock and they upgrade what? Every 2-3 years?
To make it even worst i transitioned from new bought to used cpu mobo mem vga system. Yeap money dictates it but it works like a charm.
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Yep, absolutely correct. Even stock settings can kill your mobo, your CPU, your RAM. Even when OC’ing came out, I was skeptical. I took it slowly. Been building computers for over 10 years now. Just for family and friends. But I have imassed a lot of knowledge on how they work and what this issues with them can be. Just a hobby, but there are a lot of crazy sh$t that can go wrong. As for AMD’s, I found quite the opposite actually. My very first OC computer was the ol Pentium 133. OC’ed it to 2ghz. It ran like a striped ape, for 3 months. Then it burned out. mobo was fine and so was the RAM. After that, I just stayed with the factory setting for a few years unit I saw AMD 2.4 and 2.6ghz getting over clocked to 3+ghz without any issues on fan cooling. That was my real first successful overclock. Ran great for about 3 years. Just saying that the more you push the CPU, the more that can go wrong and, if anything, the sooner it MAY burn out. But Intel and AMD have gotten much better with the thermal loads on the CPU. Soon, we may see a “breaking of the barrier”. A stable 5+ghz clock that can even be safely over clocked. Now, you can get 5ghz with a boost clock, but don’t run that bugger all the time at that speed. Read somewhere recently that a 9900k burned out in 2 hours constantly running @ 5ghz. However, there is the 9900Ks coming out soon. Supposed to be 5ghz on all 8 cores.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14402/intel-announces-5-ghz-all-core-turbo-cpu
BUT, it is binnded (probably not good to OC this thing). Also, it may throttle the cores if the load gets too hot. Don’t know yet. Have to wait and see.
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Man don’t believe those…
The problem actually isn’t the clock speed but the cpu load.
You have it in 5Ghz to be snappier and when you need the speed for a quick calculation.
For example when I have to make a slow render I don;t leave it at 4.8 I reduce the speed maybe down to 4.2. well I did some times and it was at 4.8 at 82C for a considerable amount of time. thankfully my water solution desn’t monitor cpu temp correctly (I just have the sensor hanging in the air) but does a great work on water temp. so I have it on low setting and when it goes higher it just shuts down.hmm by any chance does it happen anyone to have an aquagate alc-u01 spare? even used will do just fine, or a pump replacement for it… the noise is killing me… :lol:
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Man don’t believe those…
The problem actually isn’t the clock speed but the cpu load.
You have it in 5Ghz to be snappier and when you need the speed for a quick calculation.
For example when I have to make a slow render I don;t leave it at 4.8 I reduce the speed maybe down to 4.2. well I did some times and it was at 4.8 at 82C for a considerable amount of time. thankfully my water solution desn’t monitor cpu temp correctly (I just have the sensor hanging in the air) but does a great work on water temp. so I have it on low setting and when it goes higher it just shuts down.hmm by any chance does it happen anyone to have an aquagate alc-u01 spare? even used will do just fine, or a pump replacement for it… the noise is killing me… :lol:
Actually, the problem is heat (caused by CPU load I grant you). Heat will act as a resistance to the circuits inside the CPU. Communication with the circuits in the CPU die decreases with excessive heat, causing errors (and it will melt down if it gets much hotter). 5ghz per compute point per milisecond creates a very high level of heat. The die pins can melt (along with the rest of the core). Water coolers do a great job of heat exchanging out from the core, but what I am talking about is inside the core itself. It gets super hot after a while. Even nuclear melt down hot! So, 5+ghz at your own risk. Good CPU’s (the ones picked at the factory with the lowest heat loading inside the CPU) can achieve 5ghz. Still, it is generating a lot of heat. Over time, it will simply fail. Again, I think sooner rather than later.
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hmm by any chance does it happen anyone to have an aquagate alc-u01 spare? even used will do just fine, or a pump replacement for it… the noise is killing me… :lol:
I feel for ya. Sound like time for a new water cooler. Found a decent one here….
$36 plus shipping.
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Yes and I’m talking about core cpu temps from the cpu.
When on 4.8ghz u have lower temps than 3.4ghz air which has more temp wear?
This why i mention cpu load. When on full cpu load you exceed the thermal point for temperature control and then things get fubared.
A cpu with stock air gets to those points easier on cpu load when an overlcloked cpu with water cool might never go if you have reasonable overclocking or a very efficient water cooling solution.
It’s metal, heat passes quickly, the trick is not let the heat concentrate in the guts of the cores for too long.
Also throttling is there just for this, to protect from killing the cpu, so you have an internal protecting factor already.I agree with you but i believe you exaggerate. Overclocking is done by many, those that fail mostly are newbs or very brave (to the stupid point). Overclocking geeks and guides provide safety lines, if you cross them then you asked for it.
Intel and nvidia for years are doing it earning money.
Same architecture, same materials, more ghz… better cooler, aint that factory overclocking? And the fear to the public, ohhhh dont do that you will kill it and no warranty.
Maybe you were building pc for friends i was for triple years buying and building pcs for half a country.Have you operated a pc with just holding the cooler metal on it? No fan on the metal? Just a fan near by?
Well it worked just fine.
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Hi Guys!
I got my new monitor and I changed from DVI to Display Port. I was shocked that the colours was washed out in BMS. After a little search I found that for me in the NVIDIA control panel the default Output Dynamic Range setting wasn’t full. Now I’m happy!
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Hmmm, I’m on display port now also, gotta check that!
Edit: Mine was set to Default settings and “Full” was selected already, but I set it to manual JIC…
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@A.S:
Note: first post is OLD… maybe still a good guide, but few things may have changed, i.e how to do Anti-Aliasing…
I can confirm that. In 4.33 I have very good anti-aliasing results. In 4.34, with same settings, I have no AA at all!
I tried to enforce AA with Nvidia Inspector/Nvidia Control Panel (as I always did in 4.33 and prior) with no success. I also tried that with different variations of settings ofc., which are basically all covered in this thread so far. Still no AA.
And here’s the most funny thing; a friend of mine running the sim under the same exact settings/methods like me and guess what? - He has AA in 4.34
So what’s the secret in 4.34 ?Sidenotes:
I didn’t upgrade to 4.34 U1 for now. But i gotta feel it won’t change anything by doing so…
I have currently 3 installations of BMS; 4.33 U5/4.34/4.34 modded (+ additional theaters on all of them)Some advice needed,
Thank you! -
I can confirm that. In 4.33 I have very good anti-aliasing results. In 4.34, with same settings, I have no AA at all!
I tried to enforce AA with Nvidia Inspector/Nvidia Control Panel (as I always did in 4.33 and prior) with no success. I also tried that with different variations of settings ofc., which are basically all covered in this thread so far. Still no AA.
And here’s the most funny thing; a friend of mine running the sim under the same exact settings/methods like me and guess what? - He has AA in 4.34
So what’s the secret in 4.34 ?Sidenotes:
I didn’t upgrade to 4.34 U1 for now. But i gotta feel it won’t change anything by doing so…
I have currently 3 installations of BMS; 4.33 U5/4.34/4.34 modded (+ additional theaters on all of them)Some advice needed,
Thank you!try
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xn1q0yc20tt542c/AS%20nVidia%20GFX%20BMS.zip?dl=0
this
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Thanks! (Solved)
I uninstalled my 4.34 installation with the installer. (made backups from keyfile & logbook) Deleted the copied modded 4.34 folder. Included Update 1 in the 4.34 installer and made a complete fresh installation. It worked, now I have Anti-Aliasing in 4.34 U1! I’ve read the change-log.
Hell, the new loading/ending screen is also a nice addition!Thanks everybody!
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Interesting settings those yours, A.S.
Thanks for sharing. May I ask a pair of questions?
From the second screenshot, I seemed to see that you’re using SweetFX… right?
And what card model have you installed on your PC/system?Thanks in advance, with best regards.