Mission 5 aar is sooooo harrrrddddd
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As for the jetwash, maybe you’re approaching the tanker too high? It’s fine to fly level while waiting for your refuelling spot, but behind the tanker when going for pre-contact you should stay slightly below (put the gun cross on the end of the boom or thereabouts).
Cheers, Uwe
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I spent many hours with AAR. What helped me most, at least in the beginning, was to turn off the hud. This forced me to develop a feel for speed, altitude and direction. I sounds counter-intuitive but it worked, at least for me.
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I spent many hours with AAR. What helped me most, at least in the beginning, was to turn off the hud. This forced me to develop a feel for speed, altitude and direction. I sounds counter-intuitive but it worked, at least for me.
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Also, start by approaching off the tanker’s wing, in formation. When you are confortable there, then move to the boom pre-contact.
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Yes, thanks - formation, formation, formation That is now my curriculum for the next couple of training sessions - off the wing and with no or minimal HUD. That - and a trick for fine-tuning my vertical position that I thought about today while out running (which may or may not work, let’s see).
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My tip would be to use the snap pit, not 3D with TrackIr, when refuelling. It gives you a steady frame of reference vs the tanker and helps you build the image you so need to get into the right position. All the other tips are valid too: relax, gentle on the controls and practice.
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That’s a good point, i have noticed in videos that some turn off trackir up close with the tanker
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thanks all, im suprised the post blew up
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That’s a good point, i have noticed in videos that some turn off trackir up close with the tanker
So this had quite a nice effect. Turned off TrackIR with F9. Then the “place the guncross on the boom” flight profile is easier to execute. I have also noticed that I tend to get in trouble with my vertical placement after getting cleared to contact position. I think the boom-in-your-face is psyching me So I now just focus on keeping the fpm on the horizon line after clearance to take my mind off the boom, I can always crab sideways for fine-tuning, but vertical issues are a gamebreaker.
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Yeah, this is something I kept doing wrong during my first AAR attempts in FreeFalcon. You need to trust the boomer to take that boom up once you drive towards it. If you try to dodge it, you’ll never hook up.
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I have also noticed that I tend to get in trouble with my vertical placement after getting cleared to contact position. I think the boom-in-your-face is psyching me So I now just focus on keeping the fpm on the horizon line after clearance to take my mind off the boom, I can always crab sideways for fine-tuning, but vertical issues are a gamebreaker.
I hear ya! I have experienced that exact same thing, a lot. I completely agree that the sight of that boom right in front of you, when you’re moving toward it, causes all sorts of trouble. I think the subconscious mind causes me, at least, to pull back on the stick or push forward, without hardly realizing it, in an effort not to run into that boom. And those little pitch inputs quickly turn into self-amplifying pilot-induced oscillations real quickly.
I think you’ve got a real good idea about taking your mind off the boom. Eventually I told myself “Screw it! It’s a sim! I’m gonna run right into that @#$% boom if that’s what it takes, on my way to the contact position!” And that helped. The boomer will move the boom, or you’ll magically pass through it. Acting like it’s not there is helpful, I think.
The most useful tip I picked up - can’t remember where - is that whenever I make a control input, and start to notice even the tiniest effect from it, I should immediately take out half of what I just put in. If I push the throttle forward a tiny bit, and I notice the beginning of a slight forward motion (relative to the tanker), I immediately pull back by an amount that feels like about half of the previous forward input.
That seems to help turn the “self-amplifying pilot-induced oscillations” into “damped oscillations” that don’t run away as much. It’s not perfect, but I have found that it helps me.
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I hear ya! I have experienced that exact same thing, a lot. I completely agree that the sight of that boom right in front of you, when you’re moving toward it, causes all sorts of trouble. I think the subconscious mind causes me, at least, to pull back on the stick or push forward, without hardly realizing it, in an effort not to run into that boom. And those little pitch inputs quickly turn into self-amplifying pilot-induced oscillations real quickly.
The most useful tip I picked up - can’t remember where - is that whenever I make a control input, and start to notice even the tiniest effect from it, I should immediately take out half of what I just put in. If I push the throttle forward a tiny bit, and I notice the beginning of a slight forward motion (relative to the tanker), I immediately pull back by an amount that feels like about half of the previous forward input.
That “half-step back” idea seems a great way of getting rid of the oscillations, I will definitely try that out. That could work very well with the throttle since that is very precise. My stick corrections are harder to manage and I have moved away from having my entire hand on the stick into a two-finger grip. Keeps you from making big moves. Still not ideal, but what I need to do with my hyper-sensitive stick (Logitech 3D Pro). I imagine a Warthog stick would be better.
Another thing about the boom guy who is dinging up my jet, once I am that up close the guncross-to-boom bearing is gone. So I need to work on making a mental picture of what the tanker position was, right before that point. Something like visual distance between HUD edge and tanker belly. A lot of moving parts, but freezing the TrackIR has really helped.
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What really helped me was a force-sensing stick. When I used a T.Flight Hotas X, AAR was very difficult. But after I switched to a X65F, it became noticeably easier.
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I can imagine, as a stick that does not respond instantly to your hands micro-jitter. I suppose that a Warthog or similar with heavier resistance from springs will do it too