AVCS4 Immersive Voice Control Radios for VoiceAttack
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Disregard…I pushed through the brick wall this is space between my ears. Thanks to some help from some knowledgeable folks.
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I have downloaded AVCS Core 1.11, and I would like to install it, but I have always had some trepidation when it comes to installing updated AVCS components for VoiceAttack. I’m always afraid of losing the custom commands I’ve made.
I wish I could recall the particulars, but I can recall updating some part of AVCS and/or VoiceAttack, and my custom voice commands (like “[my callsign] requesting the overhead”) went away and I had to create them again.
Have I perhaps missed the installation instructions on the veterans-gaming.com website? I wouldn’t be surprised if I have.
I am currently using AVCS Core 1.0 and AVCS4 Falcon BMS Radios 1.40, and when I start VoiceAttack, the following things automatically happen:
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It starts AVCS Core 1.0
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It tells me there has been an update to AVCS Core 1.0 (which I decline to deal with for the moment)
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It automatically “switches over” (for lack of a better term, maybe “loads” is better) to AVCS4 Falcon BMS Radios 1.40.
Voice Attack then looks like this, and works fine:
I’m curious to know what I should do in order to:
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Update AVCS Core 1.0 to 1.11
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Maintain the “automatic switchover/load” to AVCS4 Falcon BMS Radios 1.40
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Keep my custom commands intact (I think they’re part of AVCS4 Falcon BMS Radios 1.40.)
Sorry to be so dense about this, I’ve just always found these various components of the Voice Attack system to be kind of confusing, especially when it comes to installing and updating them. I apologize if I have missed a how-to guide for these installations and updates.
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The update procedure for AVCS CORE v1.0 to v1.11 is pretty painless, I promise! Trust me when I say, all you need to do is import the latest version and follow the prompts and instructions noted in VoiceAttack Event Log. The following instructions can give you an idea of what to expect, but are not needed - it should be an intuitive process.
Any custom commands you have created in the AVCS4 BMS Radios Profile will remain unchanged and fully operational. Profile settings and saved options in AVCS CORE v1.0 can be imported into v1.11 by following prompts during first time initialization, but you will need to set the Preferred Profile again so AVCS CORE v1.11 will auto-switch to AVCS4 BMS as it did before - again, just follow the prompts.
The Push to Talk system has been overhauled - if you used it before, after you get back to AVCS4 BMS v1.40 through AVCS CORE v1.11 initialization, just say, “Set a Push to Talk Button” and follow the prompts (no manual command editing is required anymore).
Once AVCS CORE v1.11 has finished importing, switch to it and wait until after first time initialization is complete - you can then select AVCS4 BMS as the Preferred Profile (or say “Set a Preferred Profile” and select AVCS4 BMS).
During the import and first time initialization of AVCS CORE v1.11, former users of v1.0 will be presented with options to import previous version save file, and/or delete previous version save files and profile config files so you can delete AVCS CORE v1.0 - just follow the instructions and prompts. You do not need to delete AVCS CORE v1.0, but it is recommended.
(any AVCS profile can be uninstalled anytime in this manner (including config files) through AVCS CORE menu options - just say, “Open the Advanced Options Menu”, and select it from the list)A restart of VoiceAttack may be required if you delete the previous AVCS CORE config and profile version(s). Just switch to AVCS CORE v1.11 after restart, reset the Preferred Profile to AVCS4 BMS (again) if not already saved.
Then just switch to AVCS4 BMS.
Since AVCS CORE must be included in AVCS4 BMS through profile options, all you need to do is follow instructions to repeat this procedure for this new version.
(removing AVCS CORE v1.0 from the list, replacing it with AVCS CORE v1.11 per images below)Switch to AVCS4 BMS and open the Editor (see img above), then select Options near the top left, navigate to the following screen(s) as instructed above:
*again, be sure to remove AVCS CORE v1.0 from Included Profiles list, only include AVCS CORE v1.11 -
Thank you very much, @semlerpdx , that worked great!
I followed those instructions, and sure enough, there was no loss of the custom commands.
After AVCS Core 1.11 was imported and initialized, I restarted VoiceAttack, and it automatically loaded AVCS4 BMS 1.40 just as before.
I said:
“Kunsan approach, Goblin Two-One, single-ship F-16, inbound for runway Three-Six. Requesting the overhead”And Kunsan approach came back with:
“Good morning Goblin Two-One, Kunsan approach, you are cleared all the way in for overhead approach, runway Three-Six. Welcome back.”… just like they’re supposed to. Life is good!
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<p>Hi @SemlerPDX,<br /><br />Don’t want to go over old ground but I fear I’m about to. I read through this thread trying to catch if I’ve missed something, especially your discussion with jc1. <br /><br /><br />Excuse me if I’m wrong and/or have imagined this experience, voice would only get transmitted on the correct frequency IF the correct PTT button (UHF/VHF) was pushed. It seems now it doesn’t care I can push either and the voice profile will run and be recognized in-game. I’m sure that when you had to set the up/down press/release HOTAS keys in the config, this worked as expected. <br /><br />Are my expectations now wrong or is there something I’m missing? <br /><br />I’ve set PTT buttons to global as my breathing was getting picked up as “queue f e” (I got bored of hearing local pressure ) - the issue above was before and after making the change to global.<br /><br />TANX<br /><br />Critical</p>
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<blockquote>Hi @SemlerPDX,<br /><br />Don’t want to go over old ground but I fear I’m about to. I read through this thread trying to catch if I’ve missed something, especially your discussion with jc1. <br /><br /><br />Excuse me if I’m wrong and/or have imagined this experience, voice would only get transmitted on the correct frequency IF the correct PTT button (UHF/VHF) was pushed. It seems now it doesn’t care I can push either and the voice profile will run and be recognized in-game. I’m sure that when you had to set the up/down press/release HOTAS keys in the config, this worked as expected. <br /><br />Are my expectations now wrong or is there something I’m missing? <br /><br />I’ve set PTT buttons to global as my breathing was getting picked up as “queue f e” (I got bored of hearing local pressure ) - the issue above was before and after making the change to global.<br /><br />TANX<br /><br />Critical</blockquote><p><br /><br />VoiceAttack does not know which channel is which, and it is irrelevant to AVCS4 BMS. The PTT feature is only a on/off thing, and the allowance for two PTT buttons on the same assignment as UHF and VHF PTT buttons in the sim is only for immersion and functionality. You can actually set up to 6 different push to talk buttons with my system, and their only function is to allow recognition when pressed and deny it when not pressed, with no further logic.</p>
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<blockquote>VoiceAttack does not know which channel is which, and it is irrelevant to AVCS4 BMS. The PTT feature is only a on/off thing, and the allowance for two PTT buttons on the same assignment as UHF and VHF PTT buttons in the sim is only for immersion and functionality. You can actually set up to 6 different push to talk buttons with my system, and their only function is to allow recognition when pressed and deny it when not pressed, with no further logic.</blockquote><p><br />Righty oh! I thought that was the case, but was I imagining it with previous releases? Thanks regardless, love your work!<br /><br />Also, I’ve mapped a third button that only turns on (global) listening mode and for not flight stuff like “toggle pilot”, “toggle NVG” etc. Not sure what this achieves as I think UHF/VHF buttons will do the same, but I don’t get the audio feedback/squelch. I’m happy :)<br /><br /><br /></p>
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Re: AVCS4 Immersive Voice Control Radios for VoiceAttack
Profile has been patched for the new BMS 4.36 version and the updated Radio Menus lists. New page added for JTAC, plus many more - see updated Command Reference for complete changes and new radio menus graphic
Public Release AVCS4 BMS v1.40.4 Changelog April-24-2022 This is a simple Live Update patch fix, no new profile download is required - the following fix applies to this update: New Commands: -Added new JTAC Menu under "Y" command lists, say "Open the Command Reference" for updated lists -Many new radio commands listed in CommRef, report any bugs or issues please! Fixes/Improvements: -Updated order and position of lists, all new commands supported -Some previous phrasings retained for additional recognition options -Removed duplicate phrases in data 1 config
Updated Command Reference Pic for BMS 4.36:
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@SemlerPDX awesome, thank you! One of my must haves before I start seriously flying 4.36. For my custom phrases since the menu layout has changed, I’ll have to redo those, correct?
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@Snake122 said in AVCS4 Immersive Voice Control Radios for VoiceAttack:
@SemlerPDX awesome, thank you! One of myist haves before I start seriously flying 4.36. For my custom phrases since the menu layout has changed, I’ll have to redo those, correct?
Possibly some, as always, the config file “data_1” will contain lists in order of all radio commands, each page of a menu starting with a ‘page’ variable though not always using the keyword ‘page’.
Among others, there were important changes in formation management pages and a new JTAC page added, too. Go Higher and Go Lower have moved from one menu to another, and for “FLIGHT” commands, these (for now) must be said as “Go High” or “Go Low”, as they would otherwise conflict with the commands for Wingman and Element since they have moved to a different page from those groups commands of the same.
Most everything has stayed the same, so no harm just trying it out - or compare with the new graphic that shows every radio menu (Say ‘Open the Command Reference’ and scroll down)
If you need to refer back to the old menus graphic, here’s a link
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I’d like to try this but the instructions make my head explode, trying to understand them. Appreciate the effort, make no mistake.
I downloaded the core and profile zip files from the link in this thread, but upon renaming the .vax files as I understand should be done, I got a “Import successful, but…” followed by a lot of error messages for both imports.
Then when I start Voice Attack and try to test them, another huge list of error messages with a header message of “Unrecognized catch-all” for every voice command test I try.
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@MnMailman said in AVCS4 Immersive Voice Control Radios for VoiceAttack:
I’d like to try this but the instructions make my head explode, trying to understand them. Appreciate the effort, make no mistake.
I downloaded the core and profile zip files from the link in this thread, but upon renaming the .vax files as I understand should be done, I got a “Import successful, but…” followed by a lot of error messages for both imports.
Then when I start Voice Attack and try to test them, another huge list of error messages with a header message of “Unrecognized catch-all” for every voice command test I try.
Obviously something is messed up…any ideas ?What instructions told you to rename the .vax profile package to .zip? If these exist, I am not aware and should make them more clear for new users.
Delete any AVCS profiles in your VoiceAttack program, delete the files you changed, re-download the files, unzip the contents of the download and import the included .vax package into VoiceAttack - it says IMPORT THIS in the file name
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@SemlerPDX No, it’s not you, it’s me. Let me try again per your post instructions. Thanks for the reply…stand by.
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@MnMailman said in AVCS4 Immersive Voice Control Radios for VoiceAttack:
@SemlerPDX No, it’s not you, it’s me. Let me try again per your post instructions. Thanks for the reply…stand by.
Hey, I’ll share some of that there - I’ve not been able to produce a video that would help people very new to the whole thing to follow and use as an example.
We’re trying to make very complicated things more easy and accessible, and sometimes it takes a bit of help but it’s worth it.
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@SemlerPDX Here is an error message I get when I try to import the Core .vax file. The file is exactly as it came out of the download.
“Unable to import Voice Attack Package”
This package could not be imported:
Unable to copy package sounds to destination folder: C:\Program files\VoiceAttack\Sounds. (Could not complete operation on some files and directories. See the data property of the exception for more details.)
You may have to run Voice Attack as an administrator in order to import this package. <- I get this error message running VA as an administrator too. -
@MnMailman said in AVCS4 Immersive Voice Control Radios for VoiceAttack:
@SemlerPDX Here is an error message I get when I try to import the Core .vax file. The file is exactly as it came out of the download.
“Unable to import Voice Attack Package”
This package could not be imported:
Unable to copy package sounds to destination folder: C:\Program files\VoiceAttack\Sounds. (Could not complete operation on some files and directories. See the data property of the exception for more details.)
You may have to run Voice Attack as an administrator in order to import this package. <- I get this error message running VA as an administrator too.Are you using this setting in VoiceAttack Options?
Because this is the only thing that would prevent the package from populating the Sounds folder with the included sound effects as far as I am aware… Restarting VoiceAttack may be required, of course
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@SemlerPDX No, I just did the run/admin. function via the properties dialog of VA, per VA’s instructions. After I acknowledge the error message I posted, it gives the “Import successful but…” message, stating how the import executed/disabled various sound, plug in, etc. aspects.
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@MnMailman said in AVCS4 Immersive Voice Control Radios for VoiceAttack:
@SemlerPDX No, I just did the run/admin. function via the properties dialog of VA, per VA’s instructions. After I acknowledge the error message I posted, it gives the “Import successful but…” message, stating how the import executed/disabled various sound, plug in, etc. aspects.
I wish I could post some screenshots but I have no way of making them small enough for the forum.Please come to my Discord channel for support, it will be easier to go back and forth and share screenshots of your specific issue:
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@SemlerPDX On the way, thanks.
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@SemlerPDX The VG discord says I need to receive a text before I can speak or post there. …I don’t have a cell phone.
I appreciate your efforts,; above and beyond. I’ll keep messing with it and see if it takes.