3D Cities for Falcon…
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+1!!!
RAM22
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Well a city working sketch of all it’s major roads took me 15 minutes. Let’s say 30 with Google earth and capture the area and import it to 3d studio. Yes there are match to be done than this but most are done either way…
Now, the every building one object I refuse it, cause even now we can’t bomb the photorealistic tiles. We can have more but all is undo able time wise.
About the sounds negative well this is Falcon… same all. If u (u in general I mean) take it personally than lol.
This try of mine could be a big bluper (as always many will say) but I see the other guys starting to use it in games development - mods, one is rfactor.
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Hi Arty I was reading post, I support your effort and believe in the vision.
New ground structures are needed as I explained in thread for good reasons to enjoy the sim and I’m not just talking Cities but Oil Refinery Plants etc etc model structures you can destroy as I have demonstrated in this thread even if it looks as nice as Kimpo Int’l Air Base that will suffice instead of the Falcon 3.0 structures in current database. Yuck Falcon 3.0 to old now with many defects which have been discussed in other threads a few months back.
So then all this could be used and implemented into new campaigns in new theaters before new theaters are released.
Like I said earlier, guys on youtube say they can do small structures in a couple of hrs and larger installations in a few days so this is doable with that information already.
Please read all my above posts also for more info and understanding.
I am beginning to struggle with words now because I dont believe this effort to be a hindrance since there is many threads about people wanting or commenting about this, and many wish this to be a success, with many thanks in this thread already and I am not wishing to upset people its not personal as you say Arty.
I hope we all can agree on that!
I believe we can agree we Falcon pilots all want a good sim to fly, I take those thoughts from the forum posts that I read day in day out!
Arty, I can offer some time to help you if you like you would have to give me instructions but I believe it would be very time consuming chatting thru emails etc trying to teach me how to do this stuff…… but I had another thought what about speaking to people in those youtubes ask permission to use their models or ask them for help with this effort for BMS of ground structures when and if they can either provide those models or assist you.
I do have some spare time 1 or 2 hrs here and there and weekends to do something but people need to help me learn from scratch, this stuff I know nothing about other than what I read putting it together in my head as best as I can.
So if you show me what to do small little things to start with then I would send it to you.
For example cut and copy images and put into 3DSMAX or find textures and save them I was watching a youtube on a guy doing it but his hand was moving to fast to read the tabs he was clicking on and learn from.
As you know those software packages are complex with many steps and windows and TABS to click on but if your willing to show me little things I can do I will do it.
Now having said all that I dont have any software on my PC that creates games so something else and I wont be buying any either so which makes it difficult but if there is a way to help you email me or PM or respond in thread up to you.
I’m on holidays now for 2 weeks plenty of time to do something!
I think and believe this is worth the effort so keep going find a solution make it happen Arty and thanks again for your initiative.
Keep the faith! M8!:razz:
PS:- Please … Support the effort, “THANK”…the first post!
PM or post a reply in thread to Arty or BMARTINS if you have something to contribute!
Long Live F4!
Cheers,
:drink:
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- With the current engine it will kill FPS and by default, immersion. 2) It’s HARD and takes TIME.
It’s true,
some time ago, I made mod cities in AF:It really kills FPS.
Cheers,
Eghi -
It’s true,
some time ago, I made mod cities in AF:It really kills FPS.
Cheers,
EghiHi Eghi can I respectfully ask, on what system specs were you running at the time?
My PC is 3 years old I run BMS, BF3, DCS and XPlane10, no problem with full GFX settings!
Why I ask because, Sims are demanding on hardware and you need to upgrade every few years anyway when new sims come out!
Check “System Requirements” now for BMS, DCS, XPlane10, FC3 etc etc …… not the same as 5 years ago, right!
I dont get this fuss about FPS in gaming community, you are forced to upgrade simple fact!
Also what will be FPS in BMS as sim further develops in say 4 years time if people go by FPS no wonder people dont get the best quality or use all the effects of sim’s like Heat Blurr etc etc because settings are set to minimal and dont upgrade their systems, that’s the burden of gaming or sim’s… real life sorry my friend.
If you like sim’s you might need some upgrading!
I might add to the fact I just upgraded to Windows 7 DirectX 11 and more RAM System runs sweet … spending another $300.00 I really cant afford it but I saved up a small fortune slowly…wife gives me pocket money I save it for rainy day…see!
Well all the best!
Cheers M8,
:drink:
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This is not problem of system performance. BMS, DCS and XPlane10 is completely different graphics engines.
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Hi if I may,
Well I dont agree with “FPS” issue and debates amongst gamers!
Have you played those sims and I tell you the GFX engine much more advanced and demanding with HD 3D terrain than BMS.
BF3 alone push’s my system quite hard I hear the fans running faster.
Eg.
I think you can see that the GFX engine is much more advanced than BMS as I illustrated the point of FPS, right!
I will dare to say in honesty that playing simulators on a Laptops, I ask whats the point of that, Laptops are for business same goes for iPads I see this in Youtubes on the internet …. I scratch my head in unbelief.
They are sims for a reason right to be enjoyed as simulator games on a PC with a large screen and they are resource hungry!
Gaming PC Systems are not cheap but thats the cost and what it takes to enjoy this stuff!
Firstly, you need a GFX card installed not a integrated GFX system for starters then heaps of RAM.
Please check hardware thread for more info, not trying to be nasty or rude but its fact in all honesty.
Well there’s much debate on this subject of “FPS” on Youtube and the internet.
So if you would like to know more with “Benchmark Reports” etc etc I visit places like http://www.tomshardware.com/ for professional advice!
*** So why did I post this view, because if we the community post with concerns of this and that arguing for this because of that, sims like F4 will never develop further. So thinking forward I would rather support and assist in the choice for further development, don’t you want the F4 Sim to be developed further looking more modern and complete in all aspects to similar sims in market?
Arty and many others as you can see in thread would like the sim to look more developed and sophisticated for good purposes being a combat sim since its nearly 2013, F4 needs a new 3D terrain with new ground structures clearing the database out from the Falcon 3.0 models, looking forward right!
So peoples PC gear need’s to meet the minimum system performance requirements, this ensures everyone enjoy’s equally the sim of choice in this case BMS F4!
This view will also enable users to use all features and benefits created by the developers just like others simulators and games on the market!
There are options for those with constraints you may still purchase Falcon 4.0 Allied Force $20.00 on Ebay!
Which will enable F4 enthusiast to still enjoy the sim on much older systems….just being honest and offering an alternative!
But to hold back BMS F4 for issues like FPS should not be allowed moving forward, especially in a large community of enthusiasts and followers wishing for more developments in terrain, ground structure modeling, effects and features which will enhance the sim moving forward. etc etc etc .
********** A MUST READ **********
System Requirements - Examples Visit Here:-
BMS F4 …… https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/content.php?132
XPlane10 …… http://www.x-plane.com/?article=x-plane-10-system-requirements
Battlefield 3 …. https://help.ea.com/article/what-are-the-windows-pc-system-requirements-for-battlefield-3
So if you love flight simulators slowly build a high end gaming system …. I use Intel Extreme Motherboards to begin with as example!
Here is an example of a BMS members new system … https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?12727-New-system-ordered-for-Falcon-and-X-plane-Thoughts …… That aint no laptop but a Sim Machine, darn hobbies…they cost us heaps but worth the fun.
Thanks for chatting!
Take care bud.
***** Sorry Arty back on TOPIC!
PS:- Please … Support the effort, “THANK”…the first post!
PM or post a reply in thread to Arty or BMARTINS if you have something to contribute!
Long Live F4!
Kind Regards,
SkyKnight
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those where one building was one object or one block of buildings one object?
and when u say FPS kill how much? Also if I’m not mistaken AF was DX7??? so yes even only one cube for the whole city with no textures would kill the FPS… -
SkyKnight Let me first complete one whole city and import it to Falcon and see what Happens… Every minute I get better on it… I just discovered the easy way to create the smaller blocks with smooth and tessellate… to reduce the gaps between the buildings… I just finished the first build of the whole Volos… YYYYeeeeeeaaaaaaa…
Give me a moment to ready some screenshots…Now on the subject… If this works as wanted and liking to the majority here, than I will post a guide to help even a total newb to do it blindly… I talk about the 3ds and the GhostTown…
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I believe it looks ok… The feel not that it’s perfect…
and the real for reference: -
Also for those that fear FPS impact the solution is already ready…
What I already tested and looks wonderful is this:
The town is divided to 10 segments those segments will have building only on the border… the middle will be a risen texture of buildings roofs… That way when approaching u will see the 3d shadows and buildings to an angle of about 30 - 40 degrees now when vertical what u see is just the roofs u can’t understand the elevation difference… So the workaround is there and maybe it will use less buildings than now cities like Israel or even the same amount but the city will look full of buildings… and in theory will be lighter FPS wise…
So don’t worry… we will get it there…
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Hi Arty,
This is why Greeks do it best they are concrete layers……:uham:
They build in seconds not years! Hahahahahahaha
Thank You very much for this.
Cheers,
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What about some screen shots?
Nice work mate, keep it up.
Long live to the falconeer spirit! -
It´s about 3 years since I don´t touch 3ds and I can´t make a difference between a bull and light bulb in falcon bms either way i am willing to learn and give a help.
Here´s my last project left along 3 years ago:
And what im am trying to do.
I picked this small portion of south korea Gimpo airport zone and am im going to test in a small part of town. Not going for big stuff for now…
Arty still trying some different approaches for the build seeding tomorrow will send you a pm asking for some advice.
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BMARTINS welcome to da club… please pass from registration office first… :lol: Nice one m8… this is pro compared to me…
Now before we all jump building we must find the way to scale and fit in current Falcon structures… So for Kimpo u must first have it from Falcon so that the Falcon roads will be respected than off u go lines close them and go on…
Oh and just an update… auto ruins creation will be in the next version of this tool…
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Rereading… thanx…
That means that a block will be 1km wide…
Sorry guys I must start it in real terms and I say things just to tell me if I’m right or wrong… One thing I need help is factors I must consider first prior to start the model…I read somewhere to select feet or kilometers or others… (I will go kilometers probably is that ok something else to have in mind for that?)
Also there where some scaling referenced elsewhere…
I will have to scale them by x.xx before I export them so to look well?Now about the procedure to build and split the town is…
1. Falcon paths… Please someone can u help me how can I see them and maybe use them as visual reference for model creation…
2. building the towns I will go that way: reference is the city I have posted already to give an idea…The Red(-ish) area will be low buildings (offices and Houses) and industrial buildings (warehouses etc.)
The Green area will be medium height buildings and houses
The blue area will be the tallest buildings.Also on top of them some area slicing will be needed to have the elevation.
This will be the general plan meaning the division will be on areas and zones that way I believe we will have a realistic and balanced structured city.
Now having the blocks released as the tiles sets are, is in my thoughts but this would be for cities of low interest… So as of Interest wise and hierarchy structure what I think is the best is:
*Per Country (Not per theater)
a. Cities
b. Villages
c. Other sites1. 10 larger towns of the country as real as they can. I mean the road structure and elevations…
2. Major Airbases surroundings and nearby cities or villages in high detail.
3. Rest of the cities with ready blocks (not custom for the city)
4. Villages all by ready blocks. Not all the same but in variation…So there must be done and some ready variation blocks per country… Central Europe cities have other look than Greece… Korea other than Israel Also Egypt other than Israel… so I believe I summed it up. Those are the first thought I have on the F.B.B. Project…
Now if someone else or even u have any more thoughts I’m here listening, open in all frequencies… No help though as I expected… Only few and I thank them very much…
Yea I named it F.B.B. Falcon Building Blocks by Betag’s Team :lol: :rofl:
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Hi Arty,
Awesome thank you so much for further developing this effort to make theaters more to current standards you have my respect as a creator/developer etc and gratitude…:razz:
Hey work with demer928 try this method on the Guam Theater to get a better understanding.
Also I believe you mention earlier about destructible ground structure auto ruin tool is for ground structures like large Oil Refinery Plants mention earlier in thread to add new ground structures to database, right! … look this really is starting to sound like a dream come true.
If we the community could see this in “GUAM” a “Revolution Has Begun”, one word “SPECTACULAR”!
I understand it might mean some rework but seriously its worth it and its not wasted time, its part of Falcon 4.0 redevelopment process, right …… please stay positive.
Get the formula right first then its a production line of … ( Theaters )
Falcon 4.0 community get ready…So Keep the Faith!
Thanks again Arty truly thanks!
PS:- Please … Support the effort, “THANK”…the first post!
PM or post a reply in thread to Arty or BMARTINS if you have something to contribute!
Long Live F4!
Cheers,
:drink:
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Yeap GUAM maybe be the guinea pig :lol: cause it’s small but not easy… Too many elevations I see???.. I wanted to create the Barrigada Heights, so when u take off to see the village.
I made the road sketch in Google Earth already… I wanted to get it to Skecthup and create the elevations also (I watched a tutorial is a piece of cake…)… But when I went to 3dsMax (this was my first first try) I got smacked and pounted like Hell… :lol:
So I went back to 1+1=2 and chosen Volos city in my country which is flat.Now that I see it again, Guam, it’s not that elevated at the cities and they can be very easily get created all of them villages and the rest… Hmmm… You tempt me…
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Yeap GUAM maybe be the guinea pig :lol: cause it’s small but not easy… Too many elevations I see???.. I wanted to create the Barrigada Heights, so when u take off to see the village.
I made the road sketch in Google Earth already… I wanted to get it to Skecthup and create the elevations also (I watched a tutorial is a piece of cake…)… But when I went to 3dsMax (this was my first first try) I got smacked and pounted like Hell… :lol:
So I went back to 1+1=2 and chosen Volos city in my country which is flat.
Now that I see it again, Guam, it’s not that elevated at the cities and they can be very easily get created all of them villages and the rest… Hmmm… You tempt me…
I say ….
…… GO FOR IT…GET IT GOING ASAPDamn I’m getting ready to pay…how much $$$ ??? :razz:
:uham:
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It´s about 3 years since I don´t touch 3ds …
While looking at your last project, I’m sure you’ll get warmed up with 3dsmax in no time.
Cheers,
LS