1980s Theater
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@qt:
I had tweaked one of molnyfalcon`s campaigns according to some real life order of battle datas and as i remember add a couple of block 15s with Aim-7s.
If molnyman says ok, i can email the necessary files.QT
Go Ahead. Are we speaking only DB changes or you played also with cam file?
MolnyFalcon is the FF variant, this MOD still does not have a final name.
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@Home:
Another data point: North Korea has some of the most poorly trained pilots in the world, primarily because they donāt have the budget to maintain a high level of proficiency. This was also the case back in the early 1990s, and it would be fair to assume without further data that an air force that canāt maintain its own pilots wouldnāt bother to do a force-wide countermeasure upgrade that wasnāt standardized for the airframe.
This is why I said, semi fictional. Even this fictionality my campaign is far beyond closer to RL as any released Korean campaign concerning on OOB and battalion rosters but at least more usable and they are composed by following the current radar modeling issues. (āradar slots issueā)
As you see the wished some recommendation - for ex. Block 15 + AIM-7 - also fictional so I cannot see any problem if I put dispensers on MiG-23ML or MF.
Other issue the too few DB entires. Because I wish to model at least the MLD variant - even I cannot provide a different FM for MLD - but MLD had dispensers, better radar and R-73 missile without HOBS capability. These are very important changes and for Cold War Europe scenario, the MLD is an important and usable AC. If I cannot make or do not wish to make in the next release of MLD at least the ML or MF should have dispensers.
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In TE the range are correct for all SAMsā¦ā¦ Likely you never tested the SAM behavior and never checked the possible issuesā¦ The ārealā term concerned sometimes for OBB but mostly for loadout and weapon capabilites. In my DB flares are not just ornaments agains even AIM-9M and R-73. They are not holy weapons anymore.
Molni, I was being sarcastic to make my point! I did not suggest for you to indeed change the range of the SA-3! I meant (and the other guys understood this way), if we start adding loadouts to acft, which did not exist for real, we will loose the Flagship of Falcon 4: REALISM.
FYI, I did tons of tests regarding ALL SAM systems in BMS (and AF, and OF), and have implemented all main sub-versions of each system. However, I just figured out recently that it does not make any sense for us, users, to work on that, because the devs donĀ“t want, cannot afford itā¦ā¦the old history, you knowā¦code will change etc. So, I am not criticizing your attempts to get a more realistics SA-2e for North Korea, I actually found it great(!!!), because it helped me to figure out other stuff for other systems I was working on. I just donĀ“t agree with your way of adding stuff (e.g. FLARES) to address issues with the the DB (e.g.AIM-9M/R-73). That is not real and final point. There is nothing to discuss here, in my opinion. I personally want a real Falcon 4 BMS in future. My opinion and will stick to it.
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Roger.
About MiG-23 and flares. Some soruces suggests that some users applied dispenser on non MLD '23s but maybe these were only unique attampts or just test. The collapse of WP and the whole Eastern Block prvented any HW upgrade for more than a decadeā¦
I mostly stick to realism, except this point because of mentioned issues. I tested without flares the campaigns but was not as good as with flares.
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As you see the wished some recommendation - for ex. Block 15 + AIM-7 - also fictional so I cannot see any problem if I put dispensers on MiG-23ML or MF.
Sorry, absolutely NOT the way to go.
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Go Ahead. Are we speaking only DB changes or you played also with cam file?
MolnyFalcon is the FF variant, this MOD still does not have a final name.
both stores data and .cam file.
old habits Molnyman;)
maybe you can call it Molnyfalcon BMS.:munch:
so here is B block 15, loaded with Aim-7s.
QT
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Sorry, absolutely NOT the way to go.
Great. One of partially unreal request is go, but other is no goā¦? I love this kind of logicā¦
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Sorry, Molni, but my logic is really clear. I though I had stated it clearly above: DonĀ“t add stuff that is not real! No exceptions, be AIM-7s be flares, be range of weapons, etc.
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Small clip from the event this weekend.
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Was fun fly? As I see the MiG defeated with flares an AIM-9M. Did you use data link during the flight?
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i saw new feature for left MFD ā¦ cool!!!
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Just note to ārealismā and end user upgrades.
Some Czechoslovak people army Mig-21 (MF,MA had original possibility to carry it) were able to carry SM pod - Jammer SPS-141E + ASO-21-E7P launcher (chaffs and flares). Usually only one AC in 4-ship flight carried pod on centerline HP. Alert planes were almost allways equiped with its nattive 80ths weapon - R13M. Some of Czech Mig-21s were able to carry R-60 for selfdefence (CSSR AF had no BIS variant).During 90ths the R-60 missile was most usual beside Aim-9M on CZAF Mig-21MF. But it is another storyā¦
I write it just because first line countries will allways adapt for possible threats. Serbs did mount their R-60s on trucks etc.
Czechs tested Aphids on L-39 trainers during cold war as wellā¦It is not so big problem to put something on Mig-23.
Just for curiosity - this link shows chaff/flare additional adaptation for helis:
http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/11352
With such a solution you can put it on anything slow (but there is some optional aerodynamic stuff as well). Of course jet application need more clever approachā¦
Luk
Edit: i wrote Czech people army ā¦of course it was Czechoslovak peoples army - oops -
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i saw new feature for left MFD ā¦ cool!!!
My mistake i thought was butty DL target lock lineā¦
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Was fun fly? As I see the MiG defeated with flares an AIM-9M. Did you use data link during the flight?
Yes we did use datalink, is it supposed to be disabled?
Itās been quite fun, we have been playing at least 1 flight, up to 3, every weekend. You can see some aars here:
http://forums.unitedoperations.net/index.php/forum/151-united-operations-air-forces/
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I think yes, in 1991 Link 16 was not available for most of or any jet as I know. Biggest problem that BMS4 code - as I know - make possible to set up a FDL connect with any AC regardless in RL other AC never had this link. For ex. you can create link between F-16C Blk. 52 and an F-4DSK or F-5E or F-15A/C. Until ODS only about two dozen F-15C got FDL terminals.
(Or not? I have never read any manul which meantion any restriction concerning on BMS4.)
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From a little dogfight yesterday:
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@qt:
both stores data and .cam file.
old habits Molnyman;)
maybe you can call it Molnyfalcon BMS.:munch:
so here is B block 15, loaded with Aim-7s.
QT
Please email those files for me, I NEED AIM-7s, c/d blocks too
-haukka81
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Krause, did you finished the campaign?
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What about flying with full release?
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?20345-Korea-80s-Theater&p=295311#post295311
Campaigns with Block 15 ADF are available as well as pre HARM era, the 1982 campaign.