[4.37.3] AI ATC Vectoring
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@Nick-Taylor on the picture you posted I see the CAS speed of the F-15 in front of you with 180-200ish knots. The F-16s behind you have 200CAS. Why are you flying at 317 knots before entering final?
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@Mav-jp Hey Mav, you can see the AI behaviour in both of your ACMI files:
combat AP.zip.acmi
At 5:00 you can see that Gator42 and Gator43 are coming very close to each other (2.483 ft instead of a minimum of 6.000 ft for VFR approach) .
At 5:44 you can see that Gator43 aborts the landing approach when the distance to Gator42 has dropped below 1.500 feet.
pLAYER.zip.acmi
Here the situation is even worse. At 12:00 you can see that Lynx51 and Lynx52 are coming much too close to each other (406 ft
At 12:35 you can see that Lynx52 aborts landing when the distance has dropped to 122 feet.
The expected behavior would be, that under VFR conditions the distance of >=6000 feet between aircraft is maintained (IFR >=3 nm). The distance between individual flights should be IFR >=5 nm (IFR >=10 nm).
Makes sense?
Greetings from Buchenau,
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@Nick-Taylor said in [4.37.3] AI ATC Vectoring:
@Mav-jp Hey Mav, you can see the AI behaviour in both of your ACMI files:
combat AP.zip.acmi
At 5:00 you can see that Gator42 and Gator43 are coming very close to each other (2.483 ft instead of a minimum of 6.000 ft for VFR approach) .
At 5:44 you can see that Gator43 aborts the landing approach when the distance to Gator42 has dropped below 1.500 feet.
pLAYER.zip.acmi
Here the situation is even worse. At 12:00 you can see that Lynx51 and Lynx52 are coming much too close to each other (406 ft
At 12:35 you can see that Lynx52 aborts landing when the distance has dropped to 122 feet.
The expected behavior would be, that under VFR conditions the distance of >=6000 feet between aircraft is maintained (IFR >=3 nm). The distance between individual flights should be IFR >=5 nm (IFR >=10 nm).
Makes sense?
Greetings from Buchenau,
NickThe distance are much lower because it’s needed to recover a lot of aircrafts in campaign. Those are Military aircrafts they don’t need a lot of separation (watch Overhead manœuvres)
Increasing the distances would make the airbases not working at all between take off and landings.
As you can see the ATC is able to make aircraft’s abort on final if absolute minimum distance is not respected
About the abort , the moment the abort is triggered is not a question of distance between each other .
At a certain distance from the treshold , the ATC is checking the aircraft in front and behind. If at this checking time the minima distances are not respected then the aircraft behind is aborted , unless he is emergency where in that case the aircraft in front is aborted . If both are emergency there will be no abort
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@Mav-jp said in [4.37.3] AI ATC Vectoring:
Increasing the distances would make the airbases not working at all between take off and landings.
Mmmmh, do understand what you mean and the issue behind it. Military aircraft have the mentioned approach minimums in real life. What about the following ideas to avoid this and still be able to have realistic spacing between aircraft?
- If there are a lot of aircraft approaching, but no flights departing, why not open both runways for landing?
- Same if there are only departing aircraft and no arriving traffic?
- What about an continous TOS calculation for STPs (Split and Land) for flights that are RTB towards the same airbase, so that necessary spacing can be build already between the last two steerpoints?
- Why not limit the number of aircraft in the air at the same time, from the same airbase already during flight generation?
- In really urgent cases, why not reroute single flights to their alternate field?
Just looking for a solution, if possible and interest.
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@tiag said in [4.37.3] AI ATC Vectoring:
@Nick-Taylor on the picture you posted I see the CAS speed of the F-15 in front of you with 180-200ish knots. The F-16s behind you have 200CAS. Why are you flying at 317 knots before entering final?
Already saw the other flight at base leg and did an abort at this point in time. Then I observed the F-15s.
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@Mav-jp That is quite an improvement! From the video title it sounds as if the fix is already in 4.37.3U2. Or is it slated for next version (4.37.4) ?
Cheers
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@Mav-jp This is simply crazy. You guys are nuts. Thank you very much for the time and work you put into this…
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@Mav-jp
Great Job. Thanks a lot!