NEW WINWING ICP
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@skippermike Shame if its not. I guess I could put black tape over it. Look forwaard to your review.
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I’ve ordered mine too. I’m hoping to take it apart and 3d print seperate cases for the ICP and the DED. If it works, I’ll share the design files.
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Now that we have a F-16ish ICP the unanswered discussion about WinWing MFDs comes to mind, i.e. https://forum.falcon-bms.com/post/383826 .
In case they work fine this combination might be interesting : https://eu.winwingsim.com/view/goods-details.html?id=547 -
@Predator-23rd said in NEW WINWING ICP:
Now that we have a F-16ish ICP the unanswered discussion about WinWing MFDs comes to mind, i.e. https://forum.falcon-bms.com/post/383826 .
In case they work fine this combination might be interesting : https://eu.winwingsim.com/view/goods-details.html?id=547I may gift that to myself once I’m back to land based life and 4.38 releases.
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If this is compatible with BMS as the company says then you would probably need to have the WW app running while using BMS. This is how their DCS integration works so I assume it would work the same way for BMS. I’m not sure how the DED would work though unless it is just a screen that you can display the RTT DED on.
Button wise it would/should work without the use of the WW app.
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Silicone buttons,…argh….why…They don’t like dust and are generally a nightmare to clean, especially when getting older or getting in contact with oils, cream, sunlight, even water…
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@Wheelchock said in NEW WINWING ICP:
’m not sure how the DED would work though unless it is just a screen that you can display the RTT DED on.
From what I understand it is a dot matrix screen, so it must be operated differently.
I think that the most probable answer to both this and @Predator-23rd 's questions, is that it is operated via their app. Although from what I have seen in some videos on YT, the MFD displays are seen by Windows as screen extensions, so RTT could probably also work. But in any case, on their site they say that both the MFDs and the ICP are BMS compatible.
I will probably order the MFDs with the displays soon, probably in about a week and I 'll tell you what I found. I just hope that my USB hub can handle them all, because they require 5 USB ports (2 for each MFD with the display and 1 for the ICP).
*Edit: I just rechecked their site and they say that, at least the MDF display, is controlled via their app in both BMS and the other sim.
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@skippermike and all the other dudes, pls give us a detailed feedback when you get your icps or icp-mfd combos.
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I use AIC to display the DED on my Logitech G13. I wonder if that might work on the Winwing ICP if not using their software to program the buttons. If it’s possible to program it without using their software.
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@Apolo27 said in NEW WINWING ICP:
This afternoon I already ordered mine, I will comment on my impressions when I have it
Have you received your ICP yet?
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If a WinWing F-16 ICP owner with the WinWing MFDs could do a similar video to this one it would be really much appreciated:
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@brddog006 The European warehouse does not ship to my zip code, ironically I live in Europe…so I had to use global shipping…will take a while to arrive, January 5
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My ICP arrived this afternoon. (OH, US)
Setup was a breeze using the Alt Launcher in 4.37. (Except the Warning Reset toggle. I’ll need to look into that.)
The DED works when SimApp Pro is running, and the performance is great. No lag between button press and display. (Be sure to enter the path to BMS in the SimApp setup.)
I’ve got it set up as a desktop stand, and it proved to tip when pressing buttons at the top of the panel. I solved that by using the adhesive dots that come with it and attaching the 2 extra metal brackets to the bottom of the stand. This gives it a wider base and doesn’t tip as easily.
Overall, I think this is a great addition to my desktop ‘pit’.-Growler
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Mine came in today too. I immediately took it apart.
Unfortunately, it’s not that simple to split the DED from the ICP. The front panel is one piece of plastic. One cut would do it, but I didn’t dare do that yet. 3d printing new housings for the DED and ICP would be easy because of the way they’re mounted. Also, the display is connected with a ZIF connector and ribbon cable to the PCB, so extending that wouldn’t be hard either.
Something very frustrating is that the lines on the thumb wheels are upside down. When I had the case open, it looked like it should be possible to swap them around so they would be correct. I removed the retaining clip, but they still wouldn’t budge. Project for another day.
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@Growler4135 Mind if I ask what the overall shipping time was for you? I ordered and got the “May take a while due to COVID, Weather, Acts of God, Planetary Alignment, etc” notice.
Thanks in advance!
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@Ricky Oh thats a real shame. Why they make these things so close to real and then botch a few things to make them not realistic I dont know. Its a shame they don’t make them replicas and then make non realistic options that are removable add ons like the option to remove the extra gaming buttons on the stick. Unfortunately I will pass on all their stuff because of the unrealistic design changes they made.
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@tteddy623 It was about 1 week from order to delivery. I ordered it on Dec. 22 and it arrived on Dec. 29.
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@Growler4135 said in NEW WINWING ICP:
My ICP arrived this afternoon. (OH, US)
Setup was a breeze using the Alt Launcher in 4.37. (Except the Warning Reset toggle. I’ll need to look into that.)
The DED works when SimApp Pro is running, and the performance is great. No lag between button press and display. (Be sure to enter the path to BMS in the SimApp setup.)
I’ve got it set up as a desktop stand, and it proved to tip when pressing buttons at the top of the panel. I solved that by using the adhesive dots that come with it and attaching the 2 extra metal brackets to the bottom of the stand. This gives it a wider base and doesn’t tip as easily.
Overall, I think this is a great addition to my desktop ‘pit’.-Growler
I tried bms with the simapp running and the DED is not getting sync with the game.
I entered the bms path (the whole Falcon BMS 4.37 folder) and I updated the firmware (which stops at 99.99% completed but it says ‘CRC check passed, upgrade succeeded’ though)
I also tried to run bms on the alternative launcher, delete all the simapp files and re-install it…
Do you know any solution for this??
BTW, happy new year
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@tptp149 Happy New Year to you also!
My setup went so flawlessly that I didn’t have to do any troubleshooting. But, I can give you the steps I took:
- I did not plug in the ICP beforehand.
- Since I already had SimApp installed, I updated it to the latest version from Settings / System Configuration in the app. This is the version I have running now. V1.10.26_Beta *You can also get it from the Winwing download site.
- Back in Settings, I set the path to my BMS install: C:\Falcon BMS 4.37. (default install path for BMS) This is the current version 4.37.3 Hotfix 2.
- Returned to the main Device tab in SimApp and plugged in the ICP.
- It immediately showed up in the devices panel.
- Clicked on the ICP’s icon to enter the ICP connection screen and I tested everything.
- I started BMS Alt Launcher and set up the buttons on the ICP. I kept SimApp running in the background.
Once I got to the pit, the DED just worked.
Since everyone’s BMS set up differs greatly, I’ll offer basic troubleshooting tips:
Check software versions: BMS, SimApp, Windows Updates. (I am assuming a Windows install with BMS 4.37.)
Check if this line is added to your Falcon BMS User.cfg file: set g_bExportRTTTextures 1
If you are running any other display extraction software, disable that and try with only SimApp running.I hope some of this helps and you get the DED running!