POH theater - NavAids and nav. charts
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At friend “Nuno Santos” and anyone that cares about POH theater:
First of all Thank you for your kindly words as also for your nice offer to tell us about any possible inaccuracies.
Now please let me inform you and all about some limitations of Falcon BMS 4.32 that force away anyone who create similar stuff from the perfection:-
About TACAN channels:
VISEU airport in Portugal has a VOR/DME (ID VIS) with channel 078X in real world.
But also Armilla in Spain has a TACAN (ID TGR) and In Salah in Algeria has a VOR/DME (ID NSL), both with channel 078X.
In Falcon BMS 4.32 we can have only one TACAN at a specific channel in order to be working. That means that we must change all the other channels with the same number of TACAN channel to the nearest free one.
In order to select the one airport that will keep the real channel, this is my order:
First the one that has a TACAN station, then a VORTAC station and last a VOR/DME station. If we have 2 or more with the same NavAid, then I look which one has a military wing or that is more important airport.
That’s why you see VISEU airport with channel 061X instead of the real 078X, as also Porto airport that has a VOR/DME (ID PRT) with 067X instead of the real 088X (088X keep the airport Almeria in Spain that has a VOR/DME [ID AMR]). -
About ATC UHF/VHF frequencies:
A lot of airports share the same UHF or VHF ATC frequency as in real life. But when 2 or more airports share the same UHF or VHF ATC frequency and they are very near, there is a big possibility to we have a wrong guidance , means to we guided to a wrong airport and not to the desired one.
Just take a good look at my next example of airports Tourisme (Kenitra the correct name) and Sidi Slimane in Morocco.
They both have a VHF frequency of 124.50. If I have left the same frequency, then as you see if anyone that was approaching the airport Tourisme and been at positions 2, 3 or 4 or at any position just right of the vertical green line that is over the middle of the distance of the 2 airports (28.2 NM), then he just should guided to airport Sidi Slimane and not to the desired Tourisme. Think this event at night.
So in order to eliminate all these possibilities, I always find the same frequencies and then keep only one and change the others at the nearest free frequency.
In this way, Sidi Slimane keeps the real VHF of 124.50 and Tourisme has the new (non real) 124.55 but very near to the real one.- About ILS frequencies:
At airports that have 2 parallel runways, you may see that a specific ILS frequency is not at the nearest RWY but at the other one end of the same runway.
E.g. at an airport 05/23 L/R you may see the RWY 23L to have an ILS frequency when it should has the RWY 23R the specific ILS frequency as the nearest RWY to the real world.
This happens due to the fact that airports with 2 parallel runways have the small RWY with length of 1 NM (like exactly is the length of the airstrips), which means that the landing will be a little difficult. In real world you will see very-very rare to have a so small runway an ILS, so I always move the ILS to the other RWY with the same nearest heading that has a proper length, means to the nearest RWY with the larger length.
So now i think that is a little more clear the status with the data of NavAids for Falcon BMS.
The only thing that you can for sure do is this: If you find any ILS frequency wrong or that some airport has (or has not) in real world an ILS but not (has) at our list, then just inform us.
Again thank you for your support ;).
With my best regards,
Nikos. -
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Well, I have to thank you once again for your very clear explanation!
Things make more sense now, since you pinpointed some of the code’s limitations, which I personally wasn’t aware of.
Once again, my friends, I / we thank you for what you are doing for this theater and this great sim.
Best regards and looking forward to get my hands on this precious;)
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Impressive work!!!
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Here’s what Nuno Santos was referring to:
It was missing FUNCHAL, LAJES, PONTA DELGADA and PORTO SANTO.
Have kept and insist on PORTO TCN channel, since this is my country’s second important city after capital (LISBON).
About LAJES, it’s conflicting TCN channel/ TWR UHF/VHF. Here couldn’t find any realistic freq not already used. Am insisting on this (also) due to the fact this is a very important and operational NATO airbase.
VISEU can be viewed as an airstrip in falcon and so have considered it has without any nav aids.
All other Comms Freqs where reviewed for non conflicting ones and keeping them realistic.
RWY Headings were corrected (only in the spread sheet) to Falcon ones most closer to real ones, although this is a textures/ objects placing issue. -
Here’s what Nuno Santos was referring to:
It was missing FUNCHAL, LAJES, PONTA DELGADA and PORTO SANTO.
Have kept and insist on PORTO TCN channel, since this is my country’s second important city after capital (LISBON).
About LAJES, it’s conflicting TCN channel/ TWR UHF/VHF. Here couldn’t find any realistic freq not already used. Am insisting on this (also) due to the fact this is a very important and operational NATO airbase.
VISEU can be viewed as an airstrip in falcon and so have considered it has without any nav aids.
All other Comms Freqs where reviewed for non conflicting ones and keeping them realistic.
RWY Headings were corrected (only in the spread sheet) to Falcon ones most closer to real ones, although this is a textures/ objects placing issue.Flyway, right now we are working very hard to finish this work.
They are continually making corrections.Read my last MP, please, in the Escuadrón111. These corrections have already been evaluated in detail off this forum, internally. And we continue to work.
A little patience. Let’s work to our friends. I am in close contact with Nikos and Nil to get the best result, more realistic and compatible with Falcon.I have full confidence in their work.
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Talavera RWY is 13/31. Charts shows 12/30
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Talavera RWY is 13/31. Charts shows 12/30
Hi there mate.
Well you are right about the real RWY of Talavera airbase (shared the same runway with Badajoz airport - LEBZ) of 13/31.
But in Falcon this time we have not the runway 13/31, we have the RWY 12/30 and 14/32 (the nearest ones).
So that’s why you see it with runway 12/30. And you may for the same reason see also some other airports with the same issue.
When we are able to solve some issues, then we will represent in Falcon BMS all the airports with exactly the real runways ;).
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Well people, you guys are doing a superb work out there!!!
Keep it up and be sure that you have all our respect and support on this.
Big Time thanks !!!
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Hi there mate.
Well you are right about the real RWY of Talavera airbase (shared the same runway with Badajoz airport - LEBZ) of 13/31.
But in Falcon this time we have not the runway 13/31, we have the RWY 12/30 and 14/32 (the nearest ones).
So that’s why you see it with runway 12/30. And you may for the same reason see also some other airports with the same issue.
When we are able to solve some issues, then we will represent in Falcon BMS all the airports with exactly the real runways ;).
Nikos.Ok. That explains it…
I was sure you could not have overlook something like that, but now my curiosity is satisfied.
Thanks for your work nikos
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Ok. That explains it…
I was sure you could not have overlook something like that, but now my curiosity is satisfied.
Thanks for your work nikos
Hi there mate.
Well Thank you also for your support and trust to me/us ;).
And don’t forget that the suggestions are always welcomed by all of us that we are working here for the nice POH theater.
We can only have “positive” from them…
I really think that all of you will enjoy the result, at least this is our target.
Nikos. -
EDITED: Sorry… Forum wrong… LOL
www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?19000-Kneemap-POH-0-7-0&p=276750&viewfull=1#post276750
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Hi Gentlemen.
After hard and nice work with my close partner Michael “NIL”, we can show to you a great state of the NavAids of the POH theater.
A lot of corrections to the type of airports in order to come closer to the real ones, all the TACAN ranges updated with data from real world of July 2014 and completion of the data for all airports!
Let’s have some preview of them, below is the page 1 of totally 4:
And below is the page 2:
Here is page 3: http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/neystratiou/POH_NavAids_v0697u6_3.jpgand here is page 4: http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/neystratiou/POH_NavAids_v0697u6_4.jpg
Some more corrections will be done in the type of airports in order to we have at the next release of theater ALL the spanish and portuguese airports with the nearest type to the real ones ;).
Now all the airports have all of their data and only the airstrips need to have runway elevation and GPS coordinates. Last all the airports and airstrips that have no TACAN station, will be depended to the nearest airport that has.
We are now very close to finalize the NavAids.
Stay tuned guys…
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Great work, gentlemen, as always!!! :woohoo:
Plz keep it up and thank you for sharing once again!
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:bowd::bowd::bowd:
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Very great work!
Big Time Thanks!!!Keep it up!!!
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Hell jeah! Great stuff as always Nikos and Nil ! Thank you very much!
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Hi guys.
Well, while testing the procedure…
Gibraltar RWY 27 at night, what a beauty!!! Thank you very much my friend Arek “Eghi”
Nikos.
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WOW! You guys are the bomb! Gib Airbase Yeah!
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WOW! You guys are the bomb! Gib Airbase Yeah!
Hi there my friend.
Well i see one more P.O.H. theater lover pleased, this is nice ;)!
See you soon, so track this thread. I’m sure that you will be amazed… Let’s see.
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Hi there my friend.
Well i see one more P.O.H. theater lover pleased, this is nice ;)!
See you soon, so track this thread. I’m sure that you will be amazed… Let’s see.
Nikos.Thanks very much. Can’t wait.