Campagin tips
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great advice Cik. No need for strategic strike 200 miles away while the reds are 20 miles from your airbases! Using the PAK’s along the flot and zeroing out all the other PAKs, and those mission types you don’t need right now is a sure way to conduct a winning campaign. Learning how to defeat the SU27 with AA12 sure helps too!
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Make sure your first Mission is a success… then everything can happen, you will win always
To be honest… after flying 1 successful Mission I can turn of the complete blue ATO, got whole kora captured by DPRK and at the End I have 1 won Campaign in my logs
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great advice Cik. No need for strategic strike 200 miles away while the reds are 20 miles from your airbases! Using the PAK’s along the flot and zeroing out all the other PAKs, and those mission types you don’t need right now is a sure way to conduct a winning campaign. Learning how to defeat the SU27 with AA12 sure helps too!
i do deep strikes on occasion, for the challenge if nothing else, though much less than the unmodified strat AI. i only hit things that are really important, like high-tier aircraft runways, generally. the AI tasks too many deepstrikes to hit irrelevant stuff like DPRK AAA battalion #203847230945820984028 near pyongyang.
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they will always task aaa strikes on airbases if not watch all the blue parachutes after an airbase OCA strike. Sometimes I think the aaa is too effective as they hit me at night at 25,000 feet jammer on while I am maneuvering hence I have aaa level in the campaign set at rookie. I also painstakingly edit most loadouts adding fuel tanks, best missiles available and LGB’s. If I don’t take down the SAM’s overlapping my flot I will lose a lot of CAS aircraft and not all the red sams are tasked for strikes like SA10’s. Using JSOW on red ground forces feels like mass murder but then again they are attacking…
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even on high levels AAA is not that good. if you’re flying in enemy territory there is probably a dozen AAA battalions shooting at you. really, the best way to deal with the ridiculous amount of DPRK AAA is just to fly above it, especially on ingress/egress, just to eliminate the luck factor of the golden BB 100mm that will wreck your plane.
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I was going to post a pic of an strike on Sunan AB that showed a dozen blue parachutes floating down from F15E, F16 and F4 aircraft so maybe I should change their altitude to above 32k or something. It gave me a sick feeling to see them all. It’s almost impossible from high altitude to identify the aaa radars to take them out though I am not sure how much of a difference that will make. The F-18E or F tasked on a sead escort with jsow’s can mop up all the aaa at any airbase.
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@Cik:
i’m playing tiger spirit right now after the aforementioned rolling fire campaign and boy is it different. for one, china seems to have a ridiculous industrial output (of equivalent) i have nearly 50(!) kills, mostly SU-27/30, and they still have several operational squadrons tossing SU-27/30MKK out at me. they must replace them really fast. does anyone know how supply works in particular? i’m kind of curious if they have a massive bonus to it just for being china, because unlike the DPRK they don’t seem to have a massive factory array anywhere in their territory.
A very timid strategy that I play is:
1. Defend own territory unti Red wave subsides
2. SEAD/OCA to acceptable risk levels
3. CAS/BAI while striking deep OCA/C3I targetsSupply is kinda borked in current BMS. Each objective has a supply value that it provides but the issue is nearly every building (even bridges) output tons of supply so it’s never lacking. There are resupply, reinforcement, and replacement times as well.
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is that a BMS problem or just a theater problem? seems like something that would have to be designed that way in-theater, which is kind of strange. maybe in the future it’ll get fixed because bridges (besides the ones at mapedge, modelling offboard stuff) supplying anything seems really silly.
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The Thing with AAA I also know very good… I got shoot down by the first shoot they do in 4 of 10 missions… flying around, at FL250 or above, then warnign lights go on, I am burning and then I check that I was hit by AAA… in AF you where able to surviive 2 or even 3 hits… in BMS the first hit is in the most cases the only you Need to eject
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flak, especially with fire cans are dangerous. just fly at angels 30 or go around (though in korea, going around is basically impossible, considering the DPRK has flak with triple coverage over every inch of land they have)
if you are running over triple A battalions, that is, lots of guns + targeting radar, they are deadly yes. if it’s just SA 2 ZPU-2s or whatever, not really. they’ll basically never hit you unless with extreme luck or if you’re flying in a straight line directly over them for a minute+
edit: you can also just go NOE, and they won’t be able to hit you at all. that has it’s own dangers though. might be safer than flying below ceiling over a dozen AAA battalions though, as DPRK SHORADs are pretty thin; as far as i know all you really have to worry about is HQ battalions with their shilka/SA13/15/HN-5A squads. of course, you REALLY have to worry about those. but if you plan your ingress well you should be OK.
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You got to be worried about more than HQ units; towed artillery, mech and tank battalions also have mobile sams.
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also comparatively rare. just steer clear of cities and you should be OK really. i do lots of NOE attacks and have yet to be shot down by MANPADs. really though, i haven’t had problems with flak since i realized it has a ceiling at angels 30. you really should be that high to travel anyway, the only thing that will force you down is SA-10s and really those will force you down to 200FT anyway so flak shouldn’t be an issue.
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I tried during a full campaign to hit as much factories as I could, however it doesn’t stop the sudden increased number of enemy airplane or ground forces.
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they have a large supply and get resupplied and the PRC and CIS both often join in which is fine with me as I get more targets
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hitting factories has an impact, but you have to do alot of damage to alot of factories; they have an incredible number of them, so it’s a drop in the bucket to knock out one or two.
if you want to reduce the enemy presence, it’s probably better to just do sweeps or OCA (direct anti-fighter) or CAS (direct anti-ground)
if you do lots of either you will see a noticeable weakening of that particular element’s strength.
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I usually focus on interdiction and OCA. Regarding strikes, I take out a few key bridges and the refineries. I figure no gas, no mobility on land or in the air.
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I did destroyed almost 50% of war production asset, so maybe I should concentrate on fuel then.
About OCA, the problem is there is no plane on the ground to destroy, and the runway get repaired in a few hours -
When you take out the runways you have to destroy all three segments then it should take a lot longer.
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Yes. The strategic planning in the campaign….for both sides…is terrible. Neither side seems to have any clear strategic objectives or phases to their effort. The DPRK offensive plan…especially the AIR EFFORT…isn’t…and the BLUE force defensive plan…isn’t either. Both sides seem to just put their air assets up in a bunch of suicide missions with no potential to gain the initiative from them…even if the missions are successful. BLUE Force goes offensive way too soon and against pathetic targets. If we are going to go offensive…OK…Does anyone at HQ have the intent at taking out the Mig29 bases…like now…so they cannot launch them against us…at least for a while…instead of the 12 plane strike packages against highway strips. A10s and F5’s should never even be scheduled for A-A missions. There is already too much CAS work for them to do. Does the DPRK have any intent at sending overwhelming attacks against BLUE FORCE air bases to prevent BLUE FORCE from even thinking about…going north…at least for the first 12 to 24 hours? When it comes to the load outs…are we going to keep sending our pilots up with pocket knives when we have Excalibur’s to arm them with. I practically have to rearm almost every plane in the ATO…
Oh well In any case…it still is fun…from a gaming perspective… to go up and push all my abilities and my Vipers to the limits on a suicide mission…with my fellow pilots…But realistically…or even from a Simulation perspective…Our own AI HQ should probably be the first target taken out so that we fighter pilots can fight the fight to win it with our best stuff…without so much pointless loss.
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Our own AI HQ should probably be the first target taken out so that we fighter pilots can fight the fight to win it with our best stuff…without so much pointless loss.
I guess these words have been uttered many times… by real life pilots in real life conflicts ever since manned flight began!
All the best,
Uwe