Real Spanish Eurofighter solo display in BMS
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Real Eurofighter is pretty same rock stable than this video [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]
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No? Are we talking about Eurofighter stability or BMS FM?
I had this discussion about real Eurofighter FM some years ago. I know better the difference between real one and one simulated. The only thing I say is that exaggerated old FM for F16 it’s similar to Eurofighter FM.“No sensations were transmitted to the virtual pilot. “Aircraft on rails” was a common expression used to describe F4 flight models. Despite the FLCS of the F-16, anyone who has seen a real F-16 flight path marker (FPM) in flight (from a HUD tape for example) could tell that the Falcon 4.0 stability was exaggerated”
This is from your link.
I thought that we were talking about Typhoon not F-16. I know that MPS FM are poor but It could approximate too much to stable Typhoon FM.
I will try to reproduce same display maneuvers in the F-16 of you wish.
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Why isn’t it available anymore?
Let me have a guess. You are living in Germany or some other country where youtube has copyright issues with the music owners.
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Actually I’m in Israel…
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Let me have a guess. You are living in Germany or some other country where youtube has copyright issues with the music owners.
It could be. Anyway we are preparing another video with exterior views more funny.
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no
read this for more information
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/content.php?120-Flight-Model-(FM)-Developer-s-Notes-Part-1
No? Are we talking about Eurofighter stability or BMS FM?
I had this discussion about real Eurofighter FM some years ago. I know better the difference between real one and one simulated. The only thing I say is that exaggerated old FM for F16 it’s similar to Eurofighter FM.“No sensations were transmitted to the virtual pilot. “Aircraft on rails” was a common expression used to describe F4 flight models. Despite the FLCS of the F-16, anyone who has seen a real F-16 flight path marker (FPM) in flight (from a HUD tape for example) could tell that the Falcon 4.0 stability was exaggerated”
This is from your link.
I thought that we were talking about Typhoon not F-16. I know that MPS FM are poor but It could approximate too much to stable Typhoon FM.
This discussion is pretty interesting….
I think we all agree on the fact that the OFM was very poor and did not reflect the F-16 small instabilities, in turbulences, etc… and that the AFM is light years forward. Again, for the F-16.
About the Eurofighter now : Chicho, are you saying that you dont feel any turbulence in the Typhoon ? Because with the OFM, that is what will happen : go through a cloud, near the ground, you will not see your FPM dance at all in BMS.
Is this the same in the real jet ? That would surprise me, but I am no Typhoon pilot.In my humble opinion, no matter how good is your Fly By wire system, it cannot compensate this kind of thing (and I’m not even sure it would be a good thing). So no matter in what jet you are, OFM stability will be exagerated.
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Obviously depends on the atmosphere at the moment of flying. With stable day it could aprox. When you fly low level or high speed in a good day the FAM is not dancing all time as you can think.
I will try to upload some video when I flew the Mirage F-1 showing this thing. Sorry but by the moment I can not upload typhoon HUD videos for obvious reasons. -
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Ok. I will accept that you have flown a lot of real fighters like me and you know exactly what you are talking about. No problem. You are right man. Some day I will show you a real Eurofighter HUD video and you will compare the real Eurofighter arcade FM with all things you think.
It’s logical if you compare a Viper generation fighter class FM with last generation fighter class FM.
I will invite you to have a flight in Eurofighter but…
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Ok. I will accept that you have flown a lot of real fighters like me and you know exactly what you are talking about. No problem. You are right man. Some day I will show you a real Eurofighter HUD video and you will compare the real Eurofighter arcade FM with all things you think.
It’s logical if you compare a Viper generation fighter class FM with last generation fighter class FM.
I will invite you to have a flight in Eurofighter but…
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Ok. I will accept that you have flown a lot of real fighters like me and you know exactly what you are talking about.
Hi Chichowalker,
Mav-jp is not doubting your abilities as a pilot. He is only letting you know that aircraft in BMS that use OFM (original flight models) are “scripted” and do not react to input using real vector computations. The only aircraft that uses true flight modeling are those that use AFM (advanced flight model). The reason Mav-jp knows this is because he is the aeronautical engineer that designed the AFM.
-Cheers.
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No problem. I’m not agree with the comparison between OFM, AFM and real Typhoon FM. We are not talking about abilities. I’m giving my opinion as a pilot with my experience. That’s all.
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Nice flying there,
gonna track this thread because of interesting discussion.
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Look at this :
…What is funny is that the soundtrack of this video is totally fake… not recorded in EF2000 but inside Alpha Jet
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Hi everyone,
If you want to compare real flying with BMS (maybe if you have a full functional pit with G-Seat and a nice 3D-Screnn setup), you still can’t shut down the engine on the taxi way
And by the way, nice flying in the video
Fly Safe,
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I think you dont get it. it is not a question of managing turbulences or whatever atmoshperic stuff…
Whatever the efficiency of the EF2000 FLCS to keep the AC as stable as possible…the Falcon4 OFM code is absolutly not capable of managing Yaw movements nor Inertia, nor ANY coupling . (there is simply no code support for real mechanics parameters) . I think you just dont realize how OFM is arcade.
Therefore OFM is extremly simple to fly and CAN NOT in any case be representative of any real Aircraft, this is why it is easy to be precise with it
Uffff
Im agree with you about FM and I agree with you that OFM is arcade. I know perfectly.
First, show me that you know real Eurofighter FLCS. I think you dont.
Second, Im not a engineer , just fighter pilot. I just compare some real maneuvers with maneuvers in BMS taking into acount speed, energy lost, roll rate, climb rate, aceleration, deceleration, stabilty in level flight, low speed flying, sustained turn, pitch rate, inverted flight, etc, etc. If I can do it like in real life and I can say that simulated typhoon is close to Real one in some aspects. Its arcade, yes. Its easy to fly OFM than AFM, yes. Thats the cuestion. Other things, I dont care.
Congratulations for your developmemts with AFM, is a good thing for our sim. I used to fly the viper here in BMS and I love the FM. In this topic I dont care all the things you are saying about zero inertia, zero couplings and so on because Im not here to analyse that. That is test pilots job. I just fly and maneuver the aircraft.I will fly as closer as possible the display with the limited viper and will show you how to fly with your nice AFM.