Bombing fail - but why?
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With GBU’s you have to set the release angle to 0° or they never come of the rack …
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With GBU’s you have to set the release angle to 0° or they never come of the rack …
You sure - never changed that - didn’t think it was implemented?
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With GBU’s you have to set the release angle to 0° or they never come of the rack …
This is absolutely not related to that. Not a all. Placebo effect.
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With GBU’s you have to set the release angle to 0° or they never come of the rack …
Absolutely not true / Completely false.
Rel Anlge only affect the symbology, that is all.
EDIT: Oooops, missed Amraam’s answer
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Same as Migbuster. I leave mine set at 30 for tossing and do not have an issue when level dropping.
Sniped…
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You can do level bombing whatever the Release Angle set in the MFD. It doesn’t change anything at all. The Rel Ang setting is just to display the anticipation cue but do not affect the actual release.
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The REL ANG variable controls the loft maneuver prompt. You notice that when you approach a target from far away the timer in the lower left will count down twice. The first countdown is when you should perform the loft maneuver (if desired) and the second is the countdown to actual release. The REL ANG value controls how early the prompt will appear. It’s just a hint, a pilot’s helper.
QU-QU-QUADRUPLE SNIPED. Teach me to have breakfast.
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The REL ANG variable controls the loft maneuver prompt. You notice that when you approach a target from far away the timer in the lower left will count down twice.
Unless you’re flying while standing on your head… I believe the counter is in the lower RIGHT…
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I have damage brain. Yes lower right.
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The REL ANG variable controls the loft maneuver prompt. You notice that when you approach a target from far away the timer in the lower left will count down twice. The first countdown is when you should perform the loft maneuver (if desired) and the second is the countdown to actual release.
Yeah, I think I did that right? I mean, I waited trough the first count down and held the pickle before the second count down hit zero, but… nothing.
Here’s a direct link to the bombing run I’m talking about:
I’m using the GPS quided GBU31 3/B:s in this mission. Anyone notice what I’m doing wrong? (And yes, master arm is on :p)
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From the sounds of it, you pressed the pickle button about 15 seconds too soon.
IRL, you can press and hold the pickle - its a consent to release. Release the pickle if you no longer consent to releasing the bomb.
In falcon, its bugged - about the best way to ensure release is to only pickle in the last 2 seconds before release.
It SHOULD work the way you did it, but it doesnt.
Thats about when you should press and hold the pickle.
Also, just so you know, you dont need to focus 100% on flying as straight as you possibly can with that munition - its GPS/INS guided, so worrying over the release itself is not a massive concern. Pretty sure its supposed to use a LAR rather than the normal CCRP symbology, but AFAIK thats not in BMS yet.
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You can do level bombing whatever the Release Angle set in the MFD. It doesn’t change anything at all. The Rel Ang setting is just to display the anticipation cue but do not affect the actual release.
Okay, i stand corrected. To be honest, i didn’t know its only changing the symbology. But thats BMS: you live and learn. No matter how long someone already flies it
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Ive been reading manuals en mass since mid 2013 and periodically for the 12 months before that, and Im STILL learning new things about it…
lots to know(!), which is not amazingly well organised or presented…
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From the sounds of it, you pressed the pickle button about 15 seconds too soon.
IRL, you can press and hold the pickle - its a consent to release. Release the pickle if you no longer consent to releasing the bomb.
In falcon, its bugged - about the best way to ensure release is to only pickle in the last 2 seconds before release.
.Ok, thanks for the advice! Now that I think of my failed and successful bombing runs, it makes sense. Didn’t know it was bugged.
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Sadly the JDAM uses the dumb bomb tight release constraint instead of the loose LGB release constraint. This means you have to be just as perfect in alignment for a MK84 as a GBU-31 to get a release pulse in CCRP. What you can do to “fake” the LAR is have PROF2 on MAN and PROF1 on CCRP and switch over between profiles to get a manual weapons release using the countdown clock as a rough guide.
Unrelated but you don’t need the laser armed for JDAM use as it’s not a laser-guided weapon.
There are situations that even avoiding the “long pickle” bug can still mean the weapon doesn’t come off. Even as best as you can aim the CCRP math says the error is too great. When it really matters a technique other than simple CCRP will ensure that the release constraints for a dumb bomb don’t spoil your release.
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I have also problems with the runway attacks. I use durandals (BLU107). If I release them low and fast enough for a CCIP method (under 1000feet, above 500 kts), my bombs fail. There is no explosion. They just falling down the runway and nothing happens. If I release the bombs from a higher altitude (4000 feet for example), I see the parachutes opening, and blowing up the warheads on the runway, but somehow in the most case the mission is a failure and I don’t know why.
Do you have any idea? -
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Arming delay?
That would be my guess too, unless you are positive you didnt see the “LOW” indication on the HUD.
For mission failure : if the runway is already destroyed, it might happen…. but dont let the debrief window be your only judge of mission success/failure
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it’s arming delay. default AD on durandals is like 6 seconds which is far far too high. they can sometimes fire in less than half a second. unlike cluster or mk82 where arming delay prevents self frag and thus is helpful, with durandals you should be pushing DNE down the runway anyway so arming delay on a parachute retarded penetrator is moot.
try setting it much lower, about half a second to a second, or failing that release much higher, say 1,500~ feet roughly.
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Arming delay is not intended to prevent self frag. You need to calculate that yourself.
Arming delay is intended to ensure the bomb arms before it hits the ground.