Any way to simulate different radars, scan rates, phased array types, etc?
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I remember when more than 2 MFD’s in the 'PIT was blasphemy in Falcon……LOL!!!
Let’s keep at it, and see what we can do.
But we have to remember that BMS is an F16 Study Sim first and lastly……sigh.
Though I have noticed some undercurrents as of late, that seems to be moving in a + direction for the “Joe Player” communityregards,
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Well to answer the OP in a General way you can simulate about anything the problem is you need the Data involved in the operation of said device or a working knowledge to simulate any device…
They simulated the Fly by wire in the F/A-18 I think it was VRS Simulation for the FSX… It is possible you jusnt need real world data or some data of how the thing you are trying to simulate works…
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I remember when more than 2 MFD’s in the 'PIT was blasphemy in Falcon……LOL!!!
Let’s keep at it, and see what we can do.
But we have to remember that BMS is an F16 Study Sim first and lastly……sigh.
Though I have noticed some undercurrents as of late, that seems to be moving in a + direction for the “Joe Player” communityregards,
demerMany Joe Players after 10-17 years of flying F-16s are a tad tired of that jet. Nevertheless even in FF, it was my favourite back then. And I still suck at all things combat related…mainly because I still don’t care to learn being a perfect sim killa. Instead love all FM and flight physics related topics.
Still, seriously, even a pilot would be a tad bored after so many FHs on the same plane. Look forward to the Viggen e.g.
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I fly BMS during coffe brake at work. Just keyboard controled TEs 5 - 10 min long. Since I made the possibility to guide multiple SARHs in my install, I fly MiG-31 mostly in last few months (sometimes Flanker and Eagle too). I like to fly MACH 2,4 over Europe, attacking F-15 or F-18 flights.
MiG31 should be strong in look-down, but I have to descent slightly to guide my missile “wolf-pack” into its target (usually formation of 4x AA-9)…if I do it right 2-4 missiles are able to hit their targets…if not, or the lock is interrupted (SARHS) - all miss
Its good to fire under 35nm, I have highest PK around 20nm.I know MiG-31 PESA radar is quite unique involving whole fuselage in its info-gathering process. Its long range radar - few hunderds kilometers forward, but also about 80 km backward(!), has the ability to share contacts (even missile guidance) with other flight members, even the ground radar/EWR network.
But I have to respect gimbal limit a lot during my engagements.
I would like to enhance MIG-31 radar data to reflect real PESA performance, especialy FOV (with respect to current BMS code).
What is your recomendation?There are MiG-31 radar data:
F-16 block 52 data:
few pics from action:
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BTW There is small avionic issue:
Lets say I have 2 misille types loaded - 4 x AA-9 and 2 x AA-6 (IR).
I must fire my RL AA-9 missiles in TWS mode to guide them onto multiple targets properly.
If I fire my last (fourth) AA-9, my radar switch to RWS automaticaly. Howto avoid this switching?I have a suspiction, this TWS to RWS switch ruin my guidance. I am not sure it ruin all my missiles.
Problem was not so markant with Flanker. Flanker can carry 6x R-27. If I fire 4 missiles, I am still in TWS (2 left). I had even 100% PK quite often (50-75% usually under good condition). It depends on many factors…If I fly MiG-31, it is better to fire 3 missiles in first salvo I guess (note 2,32 MACH and ramaining AA-9):
tracking - the moments prior the impact:
Its easy to underfly “lofted” enemy Amraams (especialy if labels on lol)…BTW this screenshot is from previous engagement (no AA9 under fusselage left):
3 Ace Eagle drivers ejecting!
starting 5G turn to catch last Murican!
AA-6 IR and last AA-9 combo is deadly…no chute
leaving the battle:
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Is R-33 modeld as ARH in stock BMS4?
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no, it is SARH….and it is still SARH in my mod - i must support them all until impact (they can be also avoided using chaff)
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How can you guide SARH in TWS mode…??? It does not work with other AC. Does MiG-31 has a special code for this?
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BTW According inet sources, there is also upgraded ARH R-33E version of this missile in realworld. Would be nice to hava second MIG-31BM entry carryng ARH version (like Phoenix) and ARMs or antiship missiles. The only issue would be 100% chaff resistance in terminal phase for this new missile
But MiG-31 BM would be good Patriot killer in BMS…Old MiG31 ver. should be able to support 4 missiles during intercept…while new BM version should be able to guide up to 6 missiles. But I have never seen AA-9 under the wing loaded.
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How can you guide SARH in TWS mode…??? It does not work with other AC. Does MiG-31 has a special code for this?
I described the solution in “General Discussion” section around x-mas. I will try to find it. I was a bit suprised nobody was interested in it (perhaps also due to my poor english :–)
It is very easy…real gamechanger, especialy for human vs human battle. But we need separate simdata OR just few non MP critical additional entries…
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I described the solution in “General Discussion” section around x-mas. I will try to find it. I was a bit suprised nobody was interested in it (perhaps also due to my poor english :–)
It is very easy…real gamechanger, especialy for human vs human battle. But we need separate simdata OR just few non MP critical additional entries…
I’m 100% intrested in even likely never will anybody in my MOD with MiG-31 but at least for movie making…
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It started here - I tried to mod ARH copy to test it with extremely short active seeker (just few feet - like proximity fuze simulation) to simulate better and modern SARH using much better F4 ARH code:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?14740-Beginnger-s-Guide-How-to-Add-or-Replace-a-Weapon-to-BMS&p=302511&viewfull=1#post302511
I even tried to launch it in LOAL mode… :
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18284-maddog&p=300736&viewfull=1#post300736Then i discovered, I dont have to touch missile data….or any other performance datas…just change # Seeker Type, Version
1 instead of 6 in the dat file…the missile remain the same and SARH, no active radar is linked to it, but TWS code is acessed!
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?14740-Beginnger-s-Guide-How-to-Add-or-Replace-a-Weapon-to-BMS&p=303169&viewfull=1#post303169I sumarized my arogant wishes in this short post:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?16553-Iff-you-could-have-one-thing-in-the-next-update-it-would-be&p=304724&viewfull=1#post304724If someone would start moan about RWR - this is not problem imo. AIs try to avoid moded missiles and for humans - there is STT bug in BMS, where second missile does not trigger RWR…it was discused in General topic section I think…also RWR is not holy imo, it is even better to not have SARH missile warning launch at all, than to have 1st missile warning, but not second one launch…real pilot has to count with launch if locked by enemy radar…
BTW I would like to solve that TWS 2 RWS switch, when last missile of the same type fired…?
If it is not possible to solve this small avionics problem, it can be considered feature… we can limit the amount of guidable missiles this way, for example 2 R23-R loaded quantity limit mean I can guide only one missile…etc.What is your MiG-31 radar recomendation (to alow spherical or at least forward hemispherical FOV)…i did not played with these values too much in the past
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Does it work for you Molni? Funny, isn’t it?
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I had no time to try.
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This stuff about TWS SARH is interesting…… but I think its kind of an exploit on a old hack in the code.
I think AA-10 and AA-9 can be fired with a datalink first, but terminal guidance via pure SARH hardlock is necessay anyway. The fix would be a general code for inertial/datalink guidance, then a terminal guidance switcheable (IR, SARH, ARH).
Maybe the Mig-31 can hardlock multiple targets, and TWS might be appropriate in that case. But for other AC, I dont know.
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I changed the dat file to this:
Seeker Type, Version
1 0
Yes, it works in TWS mode but after I cancel the bug lock (soft lock) missile does not track anymore the target. Pls. upload the dat file what you use. Didn’t you change any other thing, did you?Yes, you must remain TWS to guide all missiles IMO. But I think last launched missile will remain guided even if switched to RWS. The others will go balistic.
That is why I described, you should save one missile in inventory. I said it can be considered “feature” - we can limit the number of simultaneously guided missiles this way.This stuff about TWS SARH is interesting…… but I think its kind of an exploit on a old hack in the code.
Everything non F-16 can be considered exploit or hack in this sim.
How the sim is ment from the beggining? - it is an F-16 sim, showing aircraft power, showing the ARH is the only BVR solution…other ACs are just extras here.
ARH armed fighters are remarkable. SARH fighters are just a trash here. The decades of SARH combat and fine tuned SARH tactic is ridiculed here. But it is just this game point of view, it’s stylization.I think AA-10 and AA-9 can be fired with a datalink first, but terminal guidance via pure SARH hardlock is necessay anyway. The fix would be a general code for inertial/datalink guidance, then a terminal guidance switcheable (IR, SARH, ARH).
You are describeing high detail here. This is an F-16 sim, with hardcoded F-16 avionics.
BTW soft lock is something quite close to PESA/AESA modulated power imo.
It was already stated by developers, next BMS version will have weaker RWR. It was already stated, that indication of SARH launch is not so easy to detect in RL.
But sure, it would be great to have some new, dedicated code for this all….Maybe the Mig-31 can hardlock multiple targets, and TWS might be appropriate in that case. But for other AC, I dont know.
Many fighters are able to guide multiple SARHS since 80ths. Some weaker of them were unable, but were later upgraded. It is just a basic feature for decades now.
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Yes, you must remain TWS to guide all missiles IMO. But I think last launched missile will remain guided even if switched to RWS. The others will go balistic.
That is why I described, you should save on missile in inventory. I said it can be considered “feature” - we can limit the number of simultaneously guided missiles this way.I remained. In missile view it is clearly seen as long as you keep the TWS soft lock the missile is guided. Only problem in casae you break this soft lock missile instantly looses the target. So yes, you can guide a single AA-9 in TWS mode but you cannot do with multipe or I do something wrong. I had not tried what can happen in case I relock against the target. I guess nothing will because SARH missiles are not able to relock.
So the only difference what I got that I can keep my SA because STT is not required during guiding the R-33 and opponent does not get SST warning during guidance which is maybe not real because even MiG-31 uses PESA the waveform during the guidance is different and good RWR can detect this I guess.
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I remained. In missile view it is clearly seen as long as you keep the TWS soft lock the missile is guided. Only problem in casae you break this soft lock missile instantly looses the target.
Yes Molni, it is SARH, u must keep the lock at all cost! (excluding own kill : –)
So yes, you can guide a single AA-9 in TWS mode but you cannot do with multipe or I do something wrong. I had not tried what can happen in case I relock against the target. I guess nothing will because SARH missiles are not able to relock.
I did lock my targets manualy (still in TWS) and it worked with multiple bandits IIRC. But it was few months ago…
Try to use TMS right for target designation….I am sure, you will guide them allSo the only difference what I got that I can keep my SA because STT is not required during guiding the R-33 and opponent does not get SST warning during guidance which is maybe not real because even MiG-31 uses PESA the waveform during the guidance is different and good RWR can detect this I guess.
You make it wrong. Try TMS-right.
RWR -This is a subject of debate …rather above my language abilities. Electronicaly scaning radars can change frequencies, modulate strength etc…I am not sure, it is so easy to read them…but…
I did this just for more modern SARH fighters in my install. -
I just realized - I started to test this with modified ARH (as described before - ARH radar moded as proximity fuze seeker)…i think it worked with manual TWS target designation…but it is some time, I worked on many projects since then…so…the brain is washed…?
Then I made it simple (just 6-1 tweak), so perhaps now it works only in TMS-right mode.EDIT: I tried it now - it still works even with manual target designation, not only with TMS-right
Perhaps your target just had lucky chaffs or ECM…
BUT even with one missile…there is much diference between this and Falcon4 STT
Falcon4 STT SARH missile is going balistic very, very easy…this TWS launched SARH missile is possible to restore its course…it is vulnerable to chaff, but not useless (this was my original intention)