Any way to simulate different radars, scan rates, phased array types, etc?
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This stuff about TWS SARH is interesting…… but I think its kind of an exploit on a old hack in the code.
I think AA-10 and AA-9 can be fired with a datalink first, but terminal guidance via pure SARH hardlock is necessay anyway. The fix would be a general code for inertial/datalink guidance, then a terminal guidance switcheable (IR, SARH, ARH).
Maybe the Mig-31 can hardlock multiple targets, and TWS might be appropriate in that case. But for other AC, I dont know.
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I changed the dat file to this:
Seeker Type, Version
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Yes, it works in TWS mode but after I cancel the bug lock (soft lock) missile does not track anymore the target. Pls. upload the dat file what you use. Didn’t you change any other thing, did you?Yes, you must remain TWS to guide all missiles IMO. But I think last launched missile will remain guided even if switched to RWS. The others will go balistic.
That is why I described, you should save one missile in inventory. I said it can be considered “feature” - we can limit the number of simultaneously guided missiles this way.This stuff about TWS SARH is interesting…… but I think its kind of an exploit on a old hack in the code.
Everything non F-16 can be considered exploit or hack in this sim.
How the sim is ment from the beggining? - it is an F-16 sim, showing aircraft power, showing the ARH is the only BVR solution…other ACs are just extras here.
ARH armed fighters are remarkable. SARH fighters are just a trash here. The decades of SARH combat and fine tuned SARH tactic is ridiculed here. But it is just this game point of view, it’s stylization.I think AA-10 and AA-9 can be fired with a datalink first, but terminal guidance via pure SARH hardlock is necessay anyway. The fix would be a general code for inertial/datalink guidance, then a terminal guidance switcheable (IR, SARH, ARH).
You are describeing high detail here. This is an F-16 sim, with hardcoded F-16 avionics.
BTW soft lock is something quite close to PESA/AESA modulated power imo.
It was already stated by developers, next BMS version will have weaker RWR. It was already stated, that indication of SARH launch is not so easy to detect in RL.
But sure, it would be great to have some new, dedicated code for this all….Maybe the Mig-31 can hardlock multiple targets, and TWS might be appropriate in that case. But for other AC, I dont know.
Many fighters are able to guide multiple SARHS since 80ths. Some weaker of them were unable, but were later upgraded. It is just a basic feature for decades now.
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Yes, you must remain TWS to guide all missiles IMO. But I think last launched missile will remain guided even if switched to RWS. The others will go balistic.
That is why I described, you should save on missile in inventory. I said it can be considered “feature” - we can limit the number of simultaneously guided missiles this way.I remained. In missile view it is clearly seen as long as you keep the TWS soft lock the missile is guided. Only problem in casae you break this soft lock missile instantly looses the target. So yes, you can guide a single AA-9 in TWS mode but you cannot do with multipe or I do something wrong. I had not tried what can happen in case I relock against the target. I guess nothing will because SARH missiles are not able to relock.
So the only difference what I got that I can keep my SA because STT is not required during guiding the R-33 and opponent does not get SST warning during guidance which is maybe not real because even MiG-31 uses PESA the waveform during the guidance is different and good RWR can detect this I guess.
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I remained. In missile view it is clearly seen as long as you keep the TWS soft lock the missile is guided. Only problem in casae you break this soft lock missile instantly looses the target.
Yes Molni, it is SARH, u must keep the lock at all cost! (excluding own kill : –)
So yes, you can guide a single AA-9 in TWS mode but you cannot do with multipe or I do something wrong. I had not tried what can happen in case I relock against the target. I guess nothing will because SARH missiles are not able to relock.
I did lock my targets manualy (still in TWS) and it worked with multiple bandits IIRC. But it was few months ago…
Try to use TMS right for target designation….I am sure, you will guide them allSo the only difference what I got that I can keep my SA because STT is not required during guiding the R-33 and opponent does not get SST warning during guidance which is maybe not real because even MiG-31 uses PESA the waveform during the guidance is different and good RWR can detect this I guess.
You make it wrong. Try TMS-right.
RWR -This is a subject of debate …rather above my language abilities. Electronicaly scaning radars can change frequencies, modulate strength etc…I am not sure, it is so easy to read them…but…
I did this just for more modern SARH fighters in my install. -
I just realized - I started to test this with modified ARH (as described before - ARH radar moded as proximity fuze seeker)…i think it worked with manual TWS target designation…but it is some time, I worked on many projects since then…so…the brain is washed…?
Then I made it simple (just 6-1 tweak), so perhaps now it works only in TMS-right mode.EDIT: I tried it now - it still works even with manual target designation, not only with TMS-right
Perhaps your target just had lucky chaffs or ECM…
BUT even with one missile…there is much diference between this and Falcon4 STT
Falcon4 STT SARH missile is going balistic very, very easy…this TWS launched SARH missile is possible to restore its course…it is vulnerable to chaff, but not useless (this was my original intention) -
I will do the test against ECM and dispenserless AC.
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Good luck.
BTW Even with soft lock, AI aircrafts start to dropp chaffs and do evasive maneuvers.
I noted possible RWR problem/feature in previous posts - but I did test it offline only. I am not sure if SARH in TWS does not triger launch warning…it was just my guess…perhaps it does -
BTW Even with soft lock, AI aircrafts start to dropp chaffs and do evasive maneuvers.
Using TWS or RWS mode? This would mean superhuman AI because soft lock is not a physical lock.
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TWS.
They know, they are locked in TWS.
And they know TWS SARH is approaching - perhaps even because of visual senzor. But they do maneuver everytime I think… -
I think the trick is
- in Falcon4 STT if the lock is broken for milisecond or the radar (or missile) is confused by chaff or ECM, missile goes balistic without any chance to recover
- in TWS-SARH - the AC radar can be confused by chaff or ECM, but perhaps due to the radar history, it is able to relock and send command to missile
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I think the trick is
- in Falcon4 STT if the lock is broken for milisecond or the radar (or missile) is confused by chaff or ECM, missile goes balistic without any chance to recover
- in TWS-SARH - the AC radar can be confused by chaff or ECM, but perhaps due to the radar history, it is able to relock and send command to missile
I think that Sarah missiles are too easy to trash, like There is no track memory etc…
Maybe 4.33 will bring some updates to this, least i hope.
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This is sorta due to F4’s way it handles things… IRL a radar could not notice if there was an interruption in its track for 0.0001 seconds, and guidance could not make a correction on such a short basis anyway.
If you lose lock in F4 for that period of time though, thats it - missile trashed.
If the missile loses sight of the target, it should stop guiding on it. If it is SARH, then it doesnt know where to look, if it loses track. If track is lost for 0.05 seconds, would it still be looking close enough to the original position to reacquire it?
I dont know. A lot of missile guidance related stuff is closely controlled… but maybe some of this stuff is available for older missiles.
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Guys…I am still waiting for some educated advices, howto tweak Foxhound radar to better match its realworld PESA performance.
There are MiG-31 radar data:
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there are some parameters for modernized MiG-31BM radar on this Ru website (the part about supercruise is interesting as well the note about 10 simul. targets)
http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2015/4/13/3068/For example, the upgraded fighters are receiving the new Zaslon-M weapons control and radar system, developed by KRET’s V. Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Design (NIIP).
While this aircraft was formerly classified only as a long-range interceptor, the modernized MiG can now destroy both air and ground targets. By modernizing its avionics, the efficiency of the MiG-31BM is 2.6 times greater than the MiG-31.
Zaslon-M differs from the original Zaslon radar by its extended antenna, up to 1.4 m in diameter. The detection range of aerial targets has increased to 320 km, and the firing range to 280 km. The onboard radar system of the MiG-31BM can simultaneously track up to ten air targets.
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The MiG-31 can break the sound barrier while flying level or ascending, whereas the majority of supersonic aircraft break the speed of sound in a shallow dive. Moreover, the MiG-31 can go supersonic at medium and high altitudes without turning on afterburners.