AA10A SARH hitting and destrouing me after launching aircraft destroyed
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Is the OP sure he is not just flying an intercept course with the unguided missile :eek:
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After some testing I found the following :
When Mig is destroyed (either 1 or 2 hits), guidance ceases. BUT the missile does not go fully ballistic either. It tends to keep a straight path, maintaining 1g up , as if its FLCS acted like the F-16 one, instead of 0 G, which would mean ballistic path.
As the missile is doing lead on pursuit, if you are not manoeuvering, this straigh course can very well mean an interception. There, fuze goes off as usual and cause a hit.
Is the OP sure he is not just flying an intercept course with the unguided missile :eek:
So you were indeed right. If I am right, OP probably stopped manoeuvering when he thought bandits were dead, and the missile flying straight got him this way. BTW, a ballistic missile can still explode, so a ballistic path, although less dangerous, is still dangerous, as the missile was lead on before.
-> keep manoeuvering and you are good !
I believe this behaviour is normal, as some SARH can allow a short (1s) drop lock from the launcher and reacquire. In the meantime, they keep their flight parameters in order not to compromise interception.
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Is your ECM still active?
Did this question ever get resolved? HOJ, could be the deal breaker here IDK…
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Did this question ever get resolved? HOJ, could be the deal breaker here IDK…
I don’t think the R-27 is HOJ capable.
There is a AA-10 Alamo-E, passive radar homing. But not in Falcon.
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I have seen the AA10a hit me enough times though not every time that I pay attention to it especially when I can see in enemy aircraft view the attacking aircraft could not possibly be tracking me any longer and incoming weapon view shows the missile tracking me. Most red fighters will still emit radar even as they plummet to the ground; who here has not heard the Mig21 radar as the aircraft was nose down engulfed in flames? Frankly I love the interesting conversation that ensues from this type of thread as I learn a lot though apparently this thread demoted me from senior member to member. Firing squad next I assume. Thank you.
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Sorry mate but if your getting killed by SARH missiles that much that you can see a pattern, your spending to much time in a place where you don’t want to be.
Yes just cause its in flames doesn’t mean its radar is not painting you still.
PS: A Firing squad ? Spend more time strafing AK47
PPS: All Red side SARH use the same Seaker Head (116/117/118 Chaff Chance is the main variance) & do respond to Chaff so do use it, its cheap.
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I don’t think the R-27 is HOJ capable.
The HOJ always jus was a text on HUD in Falcon. It never worked. SARH missiles always miss the target in case of STT break sometimes even without SST break works the chaff + ECM + ground clutter, it can be judged that defet is not kinematic.
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@whitepony99:
Acmi?
I think so but in F18E cockpit there is no visual jammer cue and I do not think A10A has HOJ capability. Sorry that was for previous post asking if jammer was on!
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@A.S:
Whitepony …my question (if you missed it) is actually : " is there a true “communication” between plane-radar and semi-active missiles ??"
A good question. In RL they dont. Thats the 7m, however the Aim-7p does, but their not in full scale production.
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A good question. In RL they dont. Thats the 7m, however the Aim-7p does, but their not in full scale production.
A common question still is (asked often):
- plane radar “illuminates” the target and due to reflections thus target acts as “beacon” guiding in the AA-10 A/C? (In that case missile would probably hit wrong target - wingmam)
- or does the plane radar update (one-way data-link) the course for the AA-10A/C?
- or both?
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@A.S:
Yes, its based on Radar AAM avionics (db), but exactly that should not be the case, right? Do the real AA-10A/C s have the ability to track on their own? Not to my knowledge.
Question IS, does BMS really support missile-guidance the right way regards semi-active A2A missiles launched from planes - in other words, is there
a true “communication” between plane-radar and semi-active missiles ??Once the lock is broken (cranked to much ie) or the emitter plattform (plane) is destroyed the SARH should never be able to impact on target.
We discussed this a while ago… and sure enough it had to came up again… hope it does not turn out to be a “pandoras box”.
This is why i wrote above…this will be an interesting thread.
Sorry , for not reading this post . I think what your seeing is what we did in end of SP4 .
Problem was , to easy lock broken while missile in air (SARH only) , and to model HOJ , ECM ability similar to aim120 . The missiles are setup proper in missile.dat for SARH .
But in weapon data we added a blank radar seeker but with only ECM and chaff chance values. chance chance fixes the to easy break of missile and the ECM value was for added strength for when target ECM is on . There was like a handful of these seekers radar added (I think in the RCD 11x ranges ) .
Easy to check if this is the case but maybe it got changed, I don’t know .
But that doesn’t answer OP question , never had issue he is posting .
You can change the AA10A/C aim7’s so radar point = #0 . that is how it was in SP3 but you get braking of lock as little as 10nm , you won’t be able to hold lock depending what target ac does, beaming, chaff etc .
PS if you look at radar #0 you can see it has chaff chance of 0.5 ? (that is from memory) so that is problem . The SARH weapons do read/use the chaff chance and ECM values .
maybe some code fix can make sure angle of firing ac greater than 60deg or ac destroyed forces missile self explosion . -
@A.S:
A common question still is (asked often):
- plane radar “illuminates” the target and due to reflections thus target acts as “beacon” guiding in the AA-10 A/C? (In that case missile would probably hit wrong target - wingmam)
- or does the plane radar update (one-way data-link) the course for the AA-10A/C?
- or both?
From what I understand, number 1 is correct. There is no data link between the missile, but, the (hard lock) wavelength of the supporting aircraft’s radar can be varied ever so slightly, which in turn is coordinated with the missile before it leaves the rail, so therefore it can distinguish between other illuminating radars in friendly flights by the specific variations in the FCR’s frequency that is supporting said missile.
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Sorry , for not reading this post . I think what your seeing is what we did in end of SP4 .
Problem was , to easy lock broken while missile in air (SARH only) , and to model HOJ , ECM ability similar to aim120 .So are we to assume from this statement that the R-27 does have HOJ capability IRL (which is what I always understood…)?
P.S. sorry if i’m derailing this OP!
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The HOJ always jus was a text on HUD in Falcon. It never worked. SARH missiles always miss the target in case of STT break sometimes even without SST break works the chaff + ECM + ground clutter, it can be judged that defet is not kinematic.
This is just in original F4 right? I think it worked in F4:AF
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So are we to assume from this statement that the R-27 does have HOJ capability IRL (which is what I always understood…)?
P.S. sorry if i’m derailing this OP!
Someone would have to check DB, if any changes but from memory I think only the aim7M , AA10C had HOJ capability .
All I can say is back when it was done and I also carried it over to AF , to best of what I could find it should of match (sorry if that sound wishy washy it’s been 8yrs ) -
This is just in original F4 right? I think it worked in F4:AF
It worked as far as I remember testing it both SP4 and in AF for sure .
It still should work , unless code changes in the area .
What it will do is basically with say aim120 is raise the seeker range by multiplying the ECU value from the radar seeker data so I think it was 1.05 x like 9nm if target had ECM on . you would get stronger radar lock/range by about 0.5+nm.
On SARH missiles , when the missile is cycled your radar lock is stronger by same value .
The problem before in SP3 they were worthless once range got to decent range you could never hold lock to get a hit .So raise that value to 1.5 and see if it still works, that would give big difference to easy see .