AA10A SARH hitting and destrouing me after launching aircraft destroyed
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AA-10, not SA-10.
Oh sorry. My bad, but still, worth the question of the distance from after TO.
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Just something that got me wondering. IIRC, R-27 series have HOJ capability too. Although their PK is not really stellar with HOJ alone, I wonder would it enable them to keep (trying to) tracking a jamming target even after emitting radar is out of commission. (on second thought though, their HOJ capability may be nothing other than emitting radarās ability to lock on jamming source which would quickly give ānegativeā as an answer to my query :))
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great response dude and so helpful. Thank you.
Anyone else ever experience being downed by AA10A in similar circumstances?
Yes. The effect of damage on AI controlled AC is far from perfect.
DB says that the AA-10A/C seeker uses a different seeker type then a traditional SARH this is why you have this issue.
Whereā¦ā¦???
If so go into the AA-10A WCD file and look at the seeker type, let me know what your DB says mine says 117.
I was told at one time that they gave the SARH A2A missiles seekers so they werent as easily spoofed
Only problem that dat file determines the main type of seeker which is SARH. So even you add a radar for SARH missile likely it is simply not used the data of the radar of the launch platfrom determines the resistance against chaff, ECM and other things.
It is not possible to model the radar to IR missiles due to code limitations. This is why the Mica IR has ridiculous gimbals and FOV in order to track anything in its engagement range it needs a modified seeker with added range and gimbals
And this is why has insane IR seeker range because LoaL + MCG cannot be simulated therefore this was the only way to model the BVR capability of an IR missile. This makes a holy weapon the MICA IRā¦
there maybe as an old āquick threat reference.pdfā bundled in bms\doc\ that states deffer
Never was accurate or usable.
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Donāt know if it is linked to this but in our squadron, weāve had a few instances where we were shot down without getting a spike, and ACMI later revealed it was in fact an AA10A/C shot (from AI, if that would matter).
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The RWR code is not perfect. In some cases you get noise warning by RWR but your RWR is not lable is displayed and opposite case can happen, even the missile tracking launch warning disappers and only search is visbile. These cases are very, vary rare. During my 6 years of modding I have seen only about a dozen.
Iām 100% sure that SARH missiles chaff resistance are not defined by radar 117 because when I presented the buggy code the SARH missile was the exampel that only ARHs are affected. Just increase the chaff chance of radar and check the result.
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maybe the missile was in MPRF state when the a/c was shot down. Happens with amraam too.
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maybe the missile was in MPRF state when the a/c was shot down. Happens with amraam too.
SARH means that to impact, missile need a hard lock ALL THE WAY to the targetā¦ HPRF/MPRF/Pitbull/Husky doesnt exist for them, only for ACTIVE RADAR missiles such as AA12 Adder and AIM120.
On topic: although this issue is surprising (I think I had it too, Mig lost lock then BAM), this needs to be repeated, IMO.
Based on minimum approach range or max speed for AMRAAM & AA10, is there a way to estimate a distance where if you shoot Fox 3, you will hit the mig before AA10 impact ? Additionnaly, a range where the mig will be fully down (exploded and all) before AA10 impact ?
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I3crusader - Yes. Equip yourself with the Phoenix missile onboard a very happy F-14, one of a select few aircraft with long range missiles. This should give you the distance you want, which is greater than the AMRAAM 120. Just hope they donāt see you lock them up.
Will this option work in the F-18C? NO. Not unless you re-write the files associated with it so it can carry that heavy AIM-54.
-Babite -
Not what I meant. I meant shooting A120 at a certain distance, so that it impacts after Mig29 shoots its AA10. Just using a Phoenix wouldnt bring anything.
I can bring a TGP, shoot when I see him launch, and hope my missile kill him before it hits me, while turning & burning. That would work.
One issue : I am guessing (might be wrong) if the mig just drop lock without dying, missile wont impact. The issue is propably with the mig dying while hes locked. With an A120, he will turn and drop lock before dying. Maybe MICA IR will give me the range I want ?
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in F4AF it was known that the AIM-120 has longer legs than the red SARH missiles and one way to defend against the SARH was to kill the launch a/c before the missile hit you. However, the AA-10A would continue to track without RWR detection after the launch a/c was destroyed. So, against the AA-10A, after firing the -120 you still wanted to defend against the inbound with crank, beam, and/or drag tactics.
It kind of lame to think that a r/l pilot is going to shoot and not defend because he has so much pk confidence in his -120 missile.
I guess it was a dirty way simulating the Russianās advance IR optic without writing a bunch of code. I donāt think there was much info on the system until the Germans acquired the Mig-29s after the Berlin wall fail anyway.
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Is the OP sure he is not just flying an intercept course with the unguided missile :eek:
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After some testing I found the following :
When Mig is destroyed (either 1 or 2 hits), guidance ceases. BUT the missile does not go fully ballistic either. It tends to keep a straight path, maintaining 1g up , as if its FLCS acted like the F-16 one, instead of 0 G, which would mean ballistic path.
As the missile is doing lead on pursuit, if you are not manoeuvering, this straigh course can very well mean an interception. There, fuze goes off as usual and cause a hit.
Is the OP sure he is not just flying an intercept course with the unguided missile :eek:
So you were indeed right. If I am right, OP probably stopped manoeuvering when he thought bandits were dead, and the missile flying straight got him this way. BTW, a ballistic missile can still explode, so a ballistic path, although less dangerous, is still dangerous, as the missile was lead on before.
-> keep manoeuvering and you are good !
I believe this behaviour is normal, as some SARH can allow a short (1s) drop lock from the launcher and reacquire. In the meantime, they keep their flight parameters in order not to compromise interception.
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Is your ECM still active?
Did this question ever get resolved? HOJ, could be the deal breaker here IDKā¦
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Did this question ever get resolved? HOJ, could be the deal breaker here IDKā¦
I donāt think the R-27 is HOJ capable.
There is a AA-10 Alamo-E, passive radar homing. But not in Falcon.
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I have seen the AA10a hit me enough times though not every time that I pay attention to it especially when I can see in enemy aircraft view the attacking aircraft could not possibly be tracking me any longer and incoming weapon view shows the missile tracking me. Most red fighters will still emit radar even as they plummet to the ground; who here has not heard the Mig21 radar as the aircraft was nose down engulfed in flames? Frankly I love the interesting conversation that ensues from this type of thread as I learn a lot though apparently this thread demoted me from senior member to member. Firing squad next I assume. Thank you.
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Sorry mate but if your getting killed by SARH missiles that much that you can see a pattern, your spending to much time in a place where you donāt want to be.
Yes just cause its in flames doesnāt mean its radar is not painting you still.
PS: A Firing squad ? Spend more time strafing AK47
PPS: All Red side SARH use the same Seaker Head (116/117/118 Chaff Chance is the main variance) & do respond to Chaff so do use it, its cheap.
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I donāt think the R-27 is HOJ capable.
The HOJ always jus was a text on HUD in Falcon. It never worked. SARH missiles always miss the target in case of STT break sometimes even without SST break works the chaff + ECM + ground clutter, it can be judged that defet is not kinematic.
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@whitepony99:
Acmi?
I think so but in F18E cockpit there is no visual jammer cue and I do not think A10A has HOJ capability. Sorry that was for previous post asking if jammer was on!
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@A.S:
Whitepony ā¦my question (if you missed it) is actually : " is there a true ācommunicationā between plane-radar and semi-active missiles ??"
A good question. In RL they dont. Thats the 7m, however the Aim-7p does, but their not in full scale production.
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A good question. In RL they dont. Thats the 7m, however the Aim-7p does, but their not in full scale production.
A common question still is (asked often):
- plane radar āilluminatesā the target and due to reflections thus target acts as ābeaconā guiding in the AA-10 A/C? (In that case missile would probably hit wrong target - wingmam)
- or does the plane radar update (one-way data-link) the course for the AA-10A/C?
- or both?