UHF AND TACANS FOR BALKANS
-
I was wondering if someone has made a map of all the airfields in the Balkans that has the UHF and tacans and Ils shown on the map I know there is a partial in the Docs folder I would like to have a map showing them if possible
Thank you
-
I was wondering if someone has made a map of all the airfields in the Balkans that has the UHF and tacans and Ils shown on the map I know there is a partial in the Docs folder I would like to have a map showing them if possible
Thank you
Hello there.
Well I think that you are a little confused.
The map into the āDocsā folder is complete for all airports into Balkans theater.
Check below photos,
It has all the data you want, and specific the file āBalkan Map.jpgā is at good resolution of 4096x4096 p.
Nikos. -
Thank you
I was dazed and confused
I was just at air field docksMy Mistake
Thanks for the heads up -
I just opened up Balkans docs folder The only map that is in there is a knee map I opened up all the folders to view the contents and I canāt find it
I also did a theater search for Balkan Map.jpg showed nothing
-
Verified, itās in my Docs under Balkans.
-
I think part of the question is, does the BMS Balkans add-on follow the real world geography, the TACANS, and the ILSās that are in the Balkans. If so, I would think it is possible to download the Instrument Approach Plates, the VFR Sectionals and maybe the IFR maps for that area. I never did any personal flying in those areas and itās been a while since I was flying myself so Iām not sure where you can do those downloads or if there are any no-charge places you can do that. Back when I was flying, I always got such things through Jeppesen which was an expensive service. However, I think there may exist free web pages for this be but I could be wrong.
What Iām also curious about is how the BMS dev team (in this case the Balkan Theater dev team) gets Approach Plates and (in the future) Sectional and maybe even IFR Maps into the Airport Approach & Navigation Charts folder. If they have access to the real world Approach Plates, Airport diagrams and other maps, then I assume they are copying those to those folders. On the other hand, that stuff may be copyrighted in a way that they canāt easily do that. Again, Iām curious how they get those items in the Airport Approach & Navigation Charts folder.
-
I just opened up Balkans docs folder The only map that is in there is a knee map I opened up all the folders to view the contents and I canāt find it
I also did a theater search for Balkan Map.jpg showed nothing
Into the subfolder āDocsā, there are 8 files and 1 folder āKneemapsā.
From these 8 files, 2 are: āBalkan Map.jpgā and āKneemap.gifā. Both are the same map with the jpg to be in higher resolution.
Are you sure that you have made a proper installation of the theater, as also that you have the latest version 4.33.3_v3.6?
Nikos. -
I think part of the question is, does the BMS Balkans add-on follow the real world geography, the TACANS, and the ILSās that are in the Balkans. If so, I would think it is possible to download the Instrument Approach Plates, the VFR Sectionals and maybe the IFR maps for that area. I never did any personal flying in those areas and itās been a while since I was flying myself so Iām not sure where you can do those downloads or if there are any no-charge places you can do that. Back when I was flying, I always got such things through Jeppesen which was an expensive service. However, I think there may exist free web pages for this be but I could be wrong.
What Iām also curious about is how the BMS dev team (in this case the Balkan Theater dev team) gets Approach Plates and (in the future) Sectional and maybe even IFR Maps into the Airport Approach & Navigation Charts folder. If they have access to the real world Approach Plates, Airport diagrams and other maps, then I assume they are copying those to those folders. On the other hand, that stuff may be copyrighted in a way that they canāt easily do that. Again, Iām curious how they get those items in the Airport Approach & Navigation Charts folder.
Hello there.
Well Iām the guy that created the Balkans NavAids and nav. charts.
All the data taken from real world at the time of creation! The few variations that you may see are due to Falcon BMS limitations, for example we canāt use more than once the same TACAN channel. So the closest free must be selected for the same other TACAN channels.
About your question from where I have the real stuff, I canāt provide details in order to NOT expose a friend! But I can tell you that all of my data are REAL and current at the time of creation each time!
Some friends and real pilots here knows thisā¦
About this āIf they have access to the real world Approach Plates, Airport diagrams and other maps, then I assume they are copying those to those folders.ā I donāt copy the real charts or editing them! I just create mine in a way to be very-very close to the real procedures as also to use Falcon BMS data with their small variations. That means no need and worry for copyrighted material.
Nikos. -
everybody was right but me
I had an old version of Balkans installed installed ver 3.6 with update 5my apologizes Gentlemen
-
Hello there.
I donāt copy the real charts or editing them! I just create mine in a way to be very-very close to the real procedures as also to use Falcon BMS data with their small variations. That means no need and worry for copyrighted material.
Nikos.ah. Then since you are unable to just cut-and-paste, there is a good amount of work to create these and factor in BMS limitations.
That means we owe you a big āThank youā and āGood Jobā for your work. :bowd:
-
ah. Then since you are unable to just cut-and-paste, there is a good amount of work to create these and factor in BMS limitations.
That means we owe you a big āThank youā and āGood Jobā for your work. :bowd:
Thank you very much for your kindly words!
Well in order to give you and the rest friends a good example, here we are. Check below Aviano ILS approach to RWY 05:
Since you are a pilot, you can follow me perfectly at these:
- Localizer course isnāt the same, 046 real and 050 in BMS.
- Real procedure has no markers, but BMS has OM and MM. Canāt disable them in BMS (at least now).
- Outbound Radial and DME arc are exactly the same. Min. holding altitude was the same at the time of my chart creation. Now it is 5,000 FT in real, no big deal to be updated sometime by me.
- Glide Slope is 2.5 deg. in real and 3.0 at BMS. We canāt change it at BMS.
- Altitude at IAF AVI R-164 is the same at 3,000 FT.
- Altitude at Glide Slope interception is the same at 1,900 FT, but at different DME due to different GS.
- RWY threshlod altitude almost the same, 325 FT in real and 320 FT in BMS.
- DA (altitude) almost perfect, 571 FT in real and 570 FT in BMS. MDA the same at 670 FT.
- TACAN channel and ILS Loc frequency exactly the same.
- MSA exactly the same.
- Trans. Alt. and Emerg. safe altitude are exactly the same.
As you can see, in general is the best close procedure that we can have with the limitations of the BMS.
Last is clear the ātransferā of the real procedure to BMS status. So 100% personal creation from scratch with no need of permissions and worries for copyrighted material ;).
Nikos. -
Wow, Nikos. Thatās great work getting the BMS approach to come as close as possible to the real world. :clap2:
The main differences is the addition of the OM/MM beacons and the Glide Slope angle of 2.5 degrees.
I do think I remember flying that procedure into Aviano way back in the Falcon AF days. As a pilot, I always make use of all Cockpit Resources so I can exercise CRM (Cockpit Resource Management). Therefore, Iād bring up the ILS cross-hairs on my approach to that airport even if I wasnāt in IFR conditions. Unfortunately, the Glide Slope for that airport in Falcon AF would take you right through a section of ground. If you are a pilot and made the bad assumption that the G/S was calibrated to meet standard approach requirements for obstacle clearance, you could easily follow the GS into the ground without thinking. The probability of that was much higher because you basically only have 2D vision so it was more difficult in Falcon AF to notice you were getting really close to this obstacle. Oops. I should have noticed and disregarded the G/S and pulled up. :doh:
Anyway, thanks again for your work. Maybe someday in the future the dev team will add approach crafting tools in the same fashion as theyāve added some good weather crafting tools. Then guys like you will be able to closer model the real world approaches.
Iād be happy to do coding similar to this myself if I could get added to the dev team. (Iām a retired software engineer with years of software, hardware and real flying experience.) As a real pilot and software engineer I could probably add code to the BMS Avionics code such as making the ILS and TACAN audio knobs work so that you could hear the TACAN IDās and ILS IDās in Morse code and vary their volume with those pots in your pit (if you have them).
Also as a Ham Radio operator, Iāve seen several Morse Code audio generator code examples in various programming languages that could be leveraged such that those IDās are just in Dot and Dash forms (ā¦ ._ ā¦_ ā¦ = IAVI) somewhere in BMS files and that would make it really easy (as far as I know) to add another Morse Code ID. I havenāt had the time to fly BMS approaches (Iām really busy finishing up my full scale pit build) and see if those Morse Code IDās are heard. However, I suspect they arenāt since the ILS and TACAN volume controls are not implemented. (Let me know if Iām wrong about those audio Morse Code IDs.)
For me as a pilot, Iād love to see that added although I know most folks wouldnāt be interested in that feature so it would be way down on the feature implementation schedule. However, Iāll bet for those of us that are real pilots with IFR approach experience we would like that feature as it increases the realism of IFR approaches.
-
Well, dear friends Nikos(bro) and gbeauw,
even if I am not or either will be a real life pilot, what a main topic is this.
As I became very fond of navigation matters thanks to Nikosā great efforts (Iām a hard stubborn, my exclusive fault) and well explained indications in years, I could get also this time some valuable āgemsā of this art. Because so it is.Thanks a lot again, mates.
With best regards.
-
Yes we do