USB 3 issues with BMS

[Gyro]

Its took me weeks to track down why my Saitek x52 kept screwing up, now I know why, USB 3 I had my keyboard and mouse both in the USB 3 sockets having assumed they would be backwards compatable. It appears that they arent and this is brand new stuff. Annoying as hell, so Ive plugged my 7 way powered hub into the USB 3 socket and the keyboard and mouse into the USB 2 / 1 sockets and every issue I had disappeared.

Hope this suggestion helps.

If your short of USB sockets, then always use a POWERED USB HUB, never use a hub which doesnt have its own power supply or you may end up frying the board, each USB socket can handle a maximum of 500ma or 0.5Amps in old money, overload it and the circuit will die on the motherboard. Always remember to use a surge protector and if possible a UPS (Uninteruptable Power Supply) to protect your equipment from line spiking. Especially in winter conditions.

[Blu3wolf]

@Gyro:

Its took me weeks to track down why my Saitek x52 kept screwing up, now I know why, USB 3 I had my keyboard and mouse both in the USB 3 sockets having assumed they would be backwards compatable. It appears that they arent and this is brand new stuff. Annoying as hell, so Ive plugged my 7 way powered hub into the USB 3 socket and the keyboard and mouse into the USB 2 / 1 sockets and every issue I had disappeared.

Hope this suggestion helps.

If your short of USB sockets, then always use a POWERED USB HUB, never use a hub which doesnt have its own power supply or you may end up frying the board, each USB socket can handle a maximum of 500ma or 0.5Amps in old money, overload it and the circuit will die on the motherboard. Always remember to use a surge protector and if possible a UPS (Uninteruptable Power Supply) to protect your equipment from line spiking. Especially in winter conditions.

This is pretty dependent on your hardware actually. Some of us with decent mobos can supply quite a bit more than that. Mine can draw up to 1.5A no worries.

…If you arent using a surge protector, you oughta go see the guys at Harvey Norman, and ask them to sell you a new computer. They will be able to find you a good surge protector Gyro.

[ASharpe]

@Blu3wolf:

This is pretty dependent on your hardware actually. Some of us with decent mobos can supply quite a bit more than that. Mine can draw up to 1.5A no worries.

Mine Also.

@Gyro:

If your short of USB sockets, then always use a POWERED USB HUB, never use a hub which doesnt have its own power supply or you may end up frying the board, each USB socket can handle a maximum of 500ma or 0.5Amps in old money, overload it and the circuit will die on the motherboard. Always remember to use a surge protector and if possible a UPS (Uninteruptable Power Supply) to protect your equipment from line spiking. Especially in winter conditions.

Also note that if the issue is your Mobo frying because your USB Hub drew to much power a UPS and a surge protector offers no protection.

That’s like saying putting a condom on your nose will stop you from getting pregnant.

[l3crusader]

I dont really see the point on posting this here… BMS has nothing to do with your problems, Saitek/your USB ports does.

[Malc]

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[Shadow]

As far as I know All respectable ATX motherboards come with USB 2.0/1.1 ports placed for the propose of Keyboard/Mouse Usage along with at least one duel purpose PS2 port. As a PC tech this you should know Gyro. And yes even though USB 3.0 is supposed to be backward compatible most power users at one time or another have found its not all ways so.

Secondly again all decent implementations of the USB standard of all recent Mobos will have overload protection inbuilt to the circuitry, so please scare mongering here is not helpful.
“handle a maximum of 500ma or 0.5Amps in old money” its not old. That’s like saying “30sec or 1/2min in old money”
Your in England and still use Pounds/shillings/pence don’t you ? so what is old money for you ? A denarius ?

However your right about powered hubs, avoid running a single port at its max 5v power output continualy.
A good example for me was running a set of Cougar MFDs through an unpowered 2x Monitor hub. fed of a single USB3.0 port.

Worst case: Internal Led back lighting current control by limiting resistors with a supply voltage of 5 volts.
Lets do some maths.
25 leds per device (20 buttons, 4x2ways and a left/right indicator)
Lets say 10mA per led (that’s an educated guess) Max of 20mA
That’s 25leds x 2devices x 10mA
= 500mA. that max rated for the USB standard for a single port.

Actually the brightness of the backlighting is adjustable which tells me that the current in each led is controlled by a form of switch mode current/voltage control.
A much better option then the simple limiting resistors. And now I can assume the actual voltage applied to the leds to be less then half the 5v USB standard thus reducing the total current drawn by half = 250 mA ( actually the BV for a green led is around 1.9V) But with control losses 250mA would be close.

Why so much theory? cause bloody Thrustmaster doesn’t spec the power consumption of their Bezels, well I couldn’t find it.

And by the way Blue wolf 1.5A, for you
“As with previous USB versions, USB 3.0 ports come in low-power and high-power variants, providing 150 mA and 900 mA respectively while simultaneously transmitting data at SuperSpeed rates.[24] Additionally, there is a Battery Charging Specification (Version 1.2 – December 2010), which increases the power handling capability to 1.5 A but does not allow concurrent data transmission.[21] The Battery Charging Specification requires that the physical ports themselves be capable of handling 5 A of current[citation needed] but the specification limits the maximum current drawn to 1.5 A.”

[Blu3wolf]

@Shadow:

And by the way Blue wolf 1.5A for you
“As with previous USB versions, USB 3.0 ports come in low-power and high-power variants, providing 150 mA and 900 mA respectively while simultaneously transmitting data at SuperSpeed rates.[24] Additionally, there is a Battery Charging Specification (Version 1.2 – December 2010), which increases the power handling capability to 1.5 A but does not allow concurrent data transmission”

Actually Shad, that 1.5A figure for my MB is on ALL its USB 2.0 ports. Needless to say, its not perfectly compliant to spec.

[Shadow]

@Blu3wolf:

Actually Shad, that 1.5A figure for my MB is on ALL its USB 2.0 ports. Needless to say, its not perfectly compliant to spec.

What Mobo do you have cause my Manual tells me squat. And can only safely assume minimal compliance

[Blu3wolf]

can’t find the manual, think its at home…. http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3450#ov

X58A-UD5 rev 2.

pretty sure its on all of them, but who knows…. never bothered to test it.

[Tiffy]

@Shadow:

Your in England and still use Pounds/shillings/pence don’t you ? so what is old money for you ? A denarius ?

Actually Pounds/Shillings/Pence is old-money since 1971. GB is now decimal and uses just Pounds & Pence. Denarius would be really old-money and possible worth a fortune, certainly more than it’s face value

[Dee-Jay]

Maybe a BIOS option to make your USB3.0 revert to a legacy compatible more (?)

[thelawenforcer]

what issues were you having, i just recently acquired an x52 and am having issues with it, particularly with the ministick and when i exit bms, it just seems to slow my mouse down…

[Blu3wolf]

@thelawenforcer:

what issues were you having, i just recently acquired an x52 and am having issues with it, particularly with the ministick and when i exit bms, it just seems to slow my mouse down…

what sort of problems with the ministick? Is it the sort of thing that might be alleviated by setting the ministick to directX axes?

[thelawenforcer]

well, in the profiler it seems perfectly responsive (using Kesmonkeys profile), but once in BMS it becomes much harder to slew right and down.

[Blu3wolf]

@thelawenforcer:

well, in the profiler it seems perfectly responsive (using Kesmonkeys profile), but once in BMS it becomes much harder to slew right and down.

well…. you can turn it into a pair of directX axes, which would make it much more responsive, BUT it would come at the cost of the twist rudder (or any other axis).

Files to do so on my site.

[WinterH]

Two of my friends have x52 and x52 pro. They also had problems with their controllers when they upgraded to usb3 boards, but… they had the problem in DCS, so… I’d say not BMS problem so much as x52 problem.

[Shadow]

@Tiffy:

Actually Pounds/Shillings/Pence is old-money since 1971. GB is now decimal and uses just Pounds & Pence. Denarius would be really old-money and possible worth a fortune, certainly more than it’s face value

Wow you went from pound to pounds, did you hand it all in and reissued with new notes?

I still have some sixpence and threepence some where here, we saved them to put in the Christmas pudding.

[Shadow]

@Dee-Jay:

Maybe a BIOS option to make your USB3.0 revert to a legacy compatible more (?)

Wishful thinking, in the fuller sense.

IBM compatible has led to a place where If it works your lucky.

My current example: If I wish to get into my Bios I need to unplug both my Warthog and the Cougar MFD Bezels

[Gyro]

Nice bunch of USB 3 ports, youll notice over the PS2 ports are two BLACK USB 2.0 / 1 legacy ports for keyboard and mouse input via USB. And yes I have confirmed that if by accident you do plug a unit into the USB 3 socket then you do get issues due to some models latency and data transfer rates…

[Blu3wolf]

@Gyro:

Nice bunch of USB 3 ports, youll notice over the PS2 ports are two BLACK USB 2.0 / 1 legacy ports for keyboard and mouse input via USB. And yes I have confirmed that if by accident you do plug a unit into the USB 3 socket then you do get issues due to some models latency and data transfer rates…

… and you’ll note that the picture above was SHAD pointing that out to YOU.

I recommend you go buy a UPS and separate surge protector, as well as a few powered USB hubs.

I take if you have plugged a unit by accident into the USB 3 socket? Its stuffed then, you should go buy a new motherboard while you are at it. Ask the techs there if they have any netbooks they can sell you, should work really well for BMS, and it should run at your speed too.