Advanced Shoot Profile
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Well at least that problem got me looking at creating my own profile and actually now I do not think that I would ever want such a large and extensive one.
I started with the intention of just automating ramp start (about 20 seconds now if not counting any alignment delay) but have added other commands as and when there usefulness occurred to me in flight. Highly useful yet still only 8k at the moment.
Why automate ramp start ? I can do it manually in my sleep so not missing out on ‘practice’ when inevitably those I fly with wish to start the mission with it.An extensive profile only gives you a little headache if you use it online, because you have more chances of getting a “false positive” recognized by the voice recognition software when you are not in fact intending to issue a command.
But if you play mainly offline, a profile with a lot of sentences will be more flexible because there are many many more sentences. I particularly like I when make an specific profile for a given callsign, i.e. Falcon 11, and the I can simulate the complete radio call i.e. “tower, falcon 11 on base, gear down and locked. full stop” or “magic, falcon 11, request picture”.
To solve the online problem I found another program called keyspeech in which you can adjust the “accuracy” of the voice recognition. if you set it to 100% the progam will be very picky and what you say must be exactly pronounced as the commnad sentence is written. No room for mistakes, foreing accents or stuff like that. Thus, if you set the accuracy to a high value the number of false positives is reduced significantly, but for non native speakers it can get sometimes tricky. But for me, it works better in W7 than shoot.
Only downside of the program is that so far it does not have a PPT key, and it is listening constantly to the mic. But I have contacted the devs and they have ansewered me that they may incorporate a ptt on their next release.
I am in the proccess of translating the shoot profile to keyspeech, but it is a long and boring task that I will try to finish during my vacations when I don’t have access to my gaming computer. I will post it when it is ready.
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do more trainings with windows voice recognition.
I have a crappy 6,5€ headset hyunday…lol and it works just super. -
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do more trainings with windows voice recognition.
I have a crappy 6,5€ headset hyunday…lol and it works just super.Hi arty,
I have no problem getting recognized, it is the other way around. Neither SHOOT nor VAC have an acuracy filter and my problem is that I get too many false positives when I am saying a normal sentence that is not intended to trigger a command.
When I want to issu a command, almost everytime I get the sentence recognized ok. So VR training is not a problem so far.
But whe you are using a software like KEYSPEECH with an accuracy filter, I agree with you that it is imprtant to train windows VRS so it can easily discriminates “normal talking” from commands.
Thanks for the tip anyway…
And don’t be tight and get a good headset!!! :D:D
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Hi arty,
I have no problem getting recognized, Neither SHOOT nor VAC have an acuracy filter and my problem is that I get too many false positives
Well those two don’t comply m8.
If it doesn’t recognize u then u have an accuracy problem… So train and train and train, the more u train the less accuracy problems u will have… simple.
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Hey Arty,
When you train with Windows, do you sometimes have to repeat the same sentence two or three times before it shows the next one? Sometimes, it recognizes me after the first try, but sometimes it takes two or three times. Is this a microphone problem or is it because more training needs to be done?
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yes when i change my voice speed or pronansuason (sorry if i killed this word).
But i believe this is mostly cause english aint my mother tounge.
About the cheep headsets lol I aint tight at all, its simple, no money… still (after two years) paying a huge credit card bill for last computer parts… among others… -
I was just kidding arty…:)
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Thanks, I am working on getting Shoot working after my extended Falcon hiatus. This will be a big help jcenzano! You mentioned setting up a profile for a specific mission’s flight callsign. I used to do this with ShootComms, a utility that quickly made a profile from a generic one to have your flight’s callsign. But it doesn’t look like anybody does this anymore. I went back through my 5+gb of Falcon stuff and finally found it, if anybody is interested in it, let me know!
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Thanks, I am working on getting Shoot working after my extended Falcon hiatus. This will be a big help jcenzano! You mentioned setting up a profile for a specific mission’s flight callsign. I used to do this with ShootComms, a utility that quickly made a profile from a generic one to have your flight’s callsign. But it doesn’t look like anybody does this anymore. I went back through my 5+gb of Falcon stuff and finally found it, if anybody is interested in it, let me know!
I’m interested, haven’t used shoot in awhile but whenever I get some time to fly will definitely make use of it.
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Here’s the link. You will definitely need to update the ShootComm’s .ini file from the .xml. After I build that from jcenzno’s file, I’ll post it unless somebody beats me to it first.
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Hey guys,
I just started using MS Voice recognition and would like to incorporate it in BMS Falcon. I became aware of a program called SHOOT but I need some help to set it up to work correctly.
I downloaded SHOOT, installed it but it keeps giving me errors. I tried googling for a solution but have not been successful. I might have downloaded an old SHOOT software version. I don’t know what the latest version that works with Win 7 pro is. I also downloaded a demo of VAC and couldn’t get it to work either. Just don’t know how to set it up.
The one question that I would have is, does shoot work along side of MS voice recognition or do you have to have the MS voice recognition turned off.
Is there a tutorial that shows how to properly setup and install the profiles and run SHOOT or VAC? I saw a tutorial in YouTube for VAC but it didn’t really answer my question.
Can those of you that have a lot of experience using voice recognition software please point me in the right direction to get the right application and associated files?
Thanks in advance
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Arty,
Thanks for your help with shoot. I played with it and found that it was touch and go during flying. I would issue a command such as “2 go cover” but it came out “2 return to base”. Needless to say that sucked in the middle of a dog fight, lol,
Any way got out of the SIM and tested the commands and it would still issue the wrong command (not all the time). During missions it sometimes failed to work.Out of the SIM and looking at the SHOOT interface, I found that when speaking the dialog box would come out and say too loud or too noisy or cant hear or wouldn’t issue a command at all. I would raise my voice and then it would issue a command but the wrong one. Is that a problem with the IIS compatibility problem that was reported when installing NET 1.1? I’m using BMS_432_chipi_V2.3 STD keyboard. I’m not sure if its the headset or SHOOT.
I have a noise cancelling microphone head set and I’m thinking of maybe buying a different one (mine is a cheapo). Any suggestions as to which head set might be best for voice comm? I’m trying to issue commands consistently without SHOOT miss interpreting the command. I have trained several times with the MS voice recognition. I get good results when using MS Voice Recognition but not while flying Falcon.
Any suggestions?
Best Regards
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I must say I am very pleased with shoot though for multiplayer I run a different profile such that it only listens when I wish it to. Suggest you create your own profile and keep simple/minimal. If you get a persistent problem with a particular command then try using different words that are less prone to being misunderstood. Of course the whole success or otherwise of shoot depends on how much time you spend teaching it your voice.
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Arty,
Thanks for your help with shoot. I played with it and found that it was touch and go during flying. I would issue a command such as “2 go cover” but it came out “2 return to base”. Needless to say that sucked in the middle of a dog fight, lol,
Any way got out of the SIM and tested the commands and it would still issue the wrong command (not all the time). During missions it sometimes failed to work.Out of the SIM and looking at the SHOOT interface, I found that when speaking the dialog box would come out and say too loud or too noisy or cant hear or wouldn’t issue a command at all. I would raise my voice and then it would issue a command but the wrong one. Is that a problem with the IIS compatibility problem that was reported when installing NET 1.1? I’m using BMS_432_chipi_V2.3 STD keyboard. I’m not sure if its the headset or SHOOT.
I have a noise cancelling microphone head set and I’m thinking of maybe buying a different one (mine is a cheapo). Any suggestions as to which head set might be best for voice comm? I’m trying to issue commands consistently without SHOOT miss interpreting the command. I have trained several times with the MS voice recognition. I get good results when using MS Voice Recognition but not while flying Falcon.
Any suggestions?
Best Regards
Koku-ryu
Whats happening to you is a known issue of shoot.
Don’t give up on voice command. My opinion is that it pays off,In a couple of weeks (real not falcon time) I will release profiles for keyspeech, which is the program that I think to work best with BMS,
Good thing about it is that recognition accuracy is customizable so you can reduce false positives like the one you wrote, and it is much better to be used online,.
Profiles will be v2.3.1 which is pretty much the same as v2.3, with some phrases added to tower and tanker sections.
jcenzano AKA chipi
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Thanks for the input. I completely agree with you. I find that using the radio (hands free) is the way to go. It is real joy to be able to use it. I found the SIM to have a higher immersion factor. I really enjoyed it very much. Right now I only use two keyboard keys, one for gear the other to change waypoints quickly when I’m delivering GPS munitions. Other than that everything else is through clicking and the HOTAS Cougar.
Thanks for your SHOOT profile. It is quite extensive. I will look forward to the keyspeech profile verson release.
Best Regards
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well a lot of parameters can fubar recognition. Like where u have your mic and your mic boost. Play with it to find the best setting. Then redo speech train, as what u done was with other settings…
in the middle of a df if u don’t speak as should no recognition program will understand u. always have in mind to use a calm normal way of speaking.
I didn’t test keyspeech as is payware but I’m pretty sure it will behave the same, when u stress your voice pronunciation.
So train as much needed to have the most of accuracy and fine tune your shoot settings…
check the profile as some commands might be wrong.
In the past I have mixed some commands and I was pretty sure all was ok… when I fixed it all was normal…
Again sure some commands out wrong… but most needed comands like declare and etc are ok…
keep your voice commands in one word or as few as u can… like: “2 go cover”. no need for 2 just “go cover”.
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well a lot of parameters can fubar recognition. Like where u have your mic and your mic boost. Play with it to find the best setting. Then redo speech train, as what u done was with other settings…
in the middle of a df if u don’t speak as should no recognition program will understand u. always have in mind to use a calm normal way of speaking.
I didn’t test keyspeech as is payware but I’m pretty sure it will behave the same, when u stress your voice pronunciation.
So train as much needed to have the most of accuracy and fine tune your shoot settings…
check the profile as some commands might be wrong.
In the past I have mixed some commands and I was pretty sure all was ok… when I fixed it all was normal…
Again sure some commands out wrong… but most needed comands like declare and etc are ok…
keep your voice commands in one word or as few as u can… like: “2 go cover”. no need for 2 just “go cover”.
Arty, you and I are on the different pages here…:p F****g language barrier…:wfish:
First of all, Shoot worked flawlessly on XP. But most people is getting the “Shoot geting out of sync” issue.
But my point was that i have no problem to get VAC or SHOOT to recognize a phrase. It is the other way around. The accuracy threshold is low, specially in VAC, and not customizable.
If I want to issue Q1, almost 99,9% of the times that I say “Chalis, Falcon 11 request picture”, I get my phrase recognized and the command issued.
The problem is that sometimes when my wife passes by and I say “Darling, your father just send a picture”, the program will find a “false positive” and issue q1 as well. Well, example is a litte extreme because you can argue that why the heck I am pressing the PTT while talking to my wife, but it is just an example.
That is why these programs become little truoblemakers when you use them online. Because during RTB you will be talking to your wingman about the beer in the o-club and then VAC or SHOOT will start sending commandas unintentionally.
It is true that the better you train VRS, the more accurate it will become, and the easier it will be to get a “good positive”. But the big problem of false positives has little to do with training your profile, but with the way the VR programs interact with windows VR software.
And that is where keyspeech kicks in, because it is the only one with a slider to manage how “relaxed” you want the software to be to recognize the commands.
With the same profile training, the positives and false positives you get will depend on the accuracy setting.
With the slider at 100%, England’s Queen hersel willl have to come and say a command to get a “true positive”, and the program will allow only a little deviation margin from the perfect pronuntiation(or better said “reference” pronuntiation"). But normal speech will not trigger a “false positive”. Of course the more you train your windows VR software, the closer you will bring the reference pronuntiation to your own.
With the slider at 0%, the program will be more “relaxed” and the allowed deviation increases. It is easier to get a “true positive” but also “false positives” will increase dramatically.
If you are using the program offline, lower values on the accuracy slider are ok, but when playing online, it must be close to 100%. With this I have been able to fly whole online missions of 1.5 hrs without a single flase positive.
So, I hope I made my point here, because it is a little bit trick to explain.
Even if it is payware (9$) I would definitely recommned keyspeech to improve your falcon experience. Besides there is a trial period long enough to decide if it is worthy to pay teh 9 bucks.
I promise I am not related anyway to the devs of keyspeech It´s just that I found the tool that I think works best. (they need to give us a PTT and it will be close to perfect)
Come on, man. give it a try…
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shoot getting out of synch??? what do u mean by that?
Well wife is prohibited from entering the danger zone while flying… shoot her down… or use sign language… :rofl:
During RTB beer talking is forbidden… :rofl: u have time for that later on… Mission is still a go… so no beer.
U can voice command it to go to sleep and wake up… so no problem there.
Well since it works and pleases u I’m fine. I’m just saying that this can be done with shoot too, more demanding to achieve maybe.