Data of missiles PK?
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Wondering If there are publicily available list of missile effectivity by missile and mark (PK If possible) I will love to see the effectivity of the early and mid Sidewinders before the L and M marks.
Thanks!
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Someone in the community might have a list. However, it has been my experience that a lot of reading was needed to find these kinds of things and then catalog them. ausairpower.net has a lot of in depth articles on different weapons systems. They note some of the PK % in the AIM-9 article. You might even find some neat reading by looking at the footnotes at the bottom of the articles. I found one a while back that was unclassified that analyzed the Vietnam War air to air missiles that were used. But I can’t find it. One neat thing was that as I got into that document, they noted some of Robin Old’s opinions.
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Wondering If there are publicily available list of missile effectivity by missile and mark (PK If possible) I will love to see the effectivity of the early and mid Sidewinders before the L and M marks.
Thanks!
Spent a while comparing data from various good sources years back including Red Baron/CHECO etc……when you look into it PK (a simple ratio) to me is pretty useless by itself to judge a missile performance…it is more important to consider all the factors behind missile performance.
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Wondering If there are publicily available list of missile effectivity by missile and mark (PK If possible) I will love to see the effectivity of the early and mid Sidewinders before the L and M marks.
Thanks!
Here they are.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/grlx9uyt34yimge/AAM-stats.zipSomeone in the community might have a list. However, it has been my experience that a lot of reading was needed to find these kinds of things and then catalog them. ausairpower.net has a lot of in depth articles on different weapons systems. They note some of the PK % in the AIM-9 article. You might even find some neat reading by looking at the footnotes at the bottom of the articles. I found one a while back that was unclassified that analyzed the Vietnam War air to air missiles that were used. But I can’t find it. One neat thing was that as I got into that document, they noted some of Robin Old’s opinions.
APA is a great site if you wish to know SAM battery composition or some things from the past but other “conclusions” of the site should be treated very, very carefully. Why? Check this…
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-081109-1.html
So even before a single image was available about PAK-FA this “genius” said it better than anything moreover an upgraded Su-27 airframe is more 5th generation AC - without any stealth and combat capable supercruise capability (not in F-22 scale M1.5+ only above M1.0 with strike weapons) - than F-35. You have to be totally non objeticve to write such idiocies what are in the table. So, careful with APA.
What is the reality about Russian industry and capability? The first 12 PAK-FA still gets the AL-41F legacy engines, only 12 will be manufactured and before 2025 won’t be PAK-FA which such engine which has similar performance what F119/F135 can provide. The schedule is far, far behind what was planned in 2010…
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Thats a nice list! I’m interested in pre LIMA Sidewinders, in sims those missiles often have really high PK (maybe not to frustrate the player?) than in reality I think. Never had a missile malfunction on any sim.
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Thats a nice list! I’m interested in pre LIMA Sidewinders, in sims those missiles often have really high PK (maybe not to frustrate the player?) than in reality I think. Never had a missile malfunction on any sim.
Missile malfunction is not modeled.
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Thats a nice list! I’m interested in pre LIMA Sidewinders, in sims those missiles often have really high PK (maybe not to frustrate the player?) than in reality I think. Never had a missile malfunction on any sim.
What sim do you refer to exactly and what AIM-9 version in particular?
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Any sim in general, the missiles have high PK’s, also missiles never malfunction, you can hit or not, but always deploy properly, there no missiles hanging on the rails or failing to ignite and falling as a rock.
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Any sim in general, the missiles have high PK’s, also missiles never malfunction, you can hit or not, but always deploy properly, there no missiles hanging on the rails or failing to ignite and falling as a rock.
Not firing the rocket motor or not ejecting……not seen that myself either.
When you say sim I take it you don’t include SF where the AIM-9B/E/J and AIM-4D have often been nothing but drag generators over the years…but you could always tweak the parameters with that anyway to get closer to your desired result.
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In fact the SF missiles are pretty realistic, and is very satisfying when you can hit something with a Falcon missile. Will try how the P winders will perform on BMS.
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Any sim in general, the missiles have high PK’s, also missiles never malfunction, you can hit or not, but always deploy properly, there no missiles hanging on the rails or failing to ignite and falling as a rock.
The natural guidance inaccuracy is also not modeled. In FF4 (or 5?) missiles after launch sometimes disapperared. It was a bug but I considered a good abstraction of malfunctioned missiles.
I know the DB so I know exacly by modeling values which IR AAM is how good. -
One thing I need to check is how many missile HITS actually destroyed the target and how many only damaged it, in real life I mean.
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One thing I need to check is how many missile HITS actually destroyed the target and how many only damaged it, in real life I mean.
Almost all AAM hit resulted destroyed AC even from SR IR AAM. In fact I knew only one case when any tactical fighter size jet survived a BVR missile hit, and Iranian F-4 flew home after a hit by Saudi AIM-7 from F-15. (And I has a unconfirmed list from ODS about R-23 hit on F-111.)
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Almost all AAM hit resulted destroyed AC even from SR IR AAM. In fact I knew only one case when any tactical fighter size jet survived a BVR missile hit, and Iranian F-4 flew home after a hit by Saudi AIM-7 from F-15. (And I has a unconfirmed list from ODS about R-23 hit on F-111.)
I’m getting the same data yes, seems almost 90% or ven more of the hits are actual kills. Will keep digging for PK of older missiles.
