Online play against others?
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I used to play Falcon 3.0 and about the only thing I found fun and exciting was playing against other real people via the online combat games.
Funny thing is, after a couple years I noticed two unfortunate things… First, there were a lot of cheaters. People flying invisible planes, invincible planes, and planes that didn’t even look like planes. In fact, I think I remember seeing a football flying around launching missiles at people… Oh, and then there’s the unlimited missiles cheat code too. The second thing I noticed was a rapidly declining number of players online at any one time. We used to have 10 or more people in a game and dozens of games going… then it declined to just one or two… then it was lucky if you joined a game an anyone was there to fight with.
Does the new Falcon 4.0 BMS have the same problems? How many people are online at any one time in these public games? Are there cheat codes that ruin it? Have they addressed any of the lag issues when planes would just hover in the air or zip across the board in 2 seconds due to internet lagging? How is that handled now?
Lastly (I think), how much bandwidth is required? I get ping times that range from 40ms to 115ms depending on the time of day and a max bandwidth of 1.5Mb/s down and 400Kb/s up. Ya… stay away from Frontier Internet as they suck horribly.
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With all those worries about cheating when playing against human pilots, how about considering playing co-op with them?
A well planned mission can also be great fun, as some others here have put it, “it’s all in the way you fly the sim”. You can fly it as an arade game like in “instant action” or delve deeper and have even more fun.
I’m not saying there’s absolutely no cheating going on in Falcon BMS online, but what would be the point?
All the best, Uwe
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With all those worries about cheating when playing against human pilots, how about considering playing co-op with them?
I used to enjoy the co-op in Falcon 3.0… We did the everyone for themselves as well as team vs. team… that was just as fun if not even more fun… harder to set up however…
I just don’t want to play against the computer… I find that boring.
I had access to a playstation 3 at one time and was getting pretty good at Call of Duty and I found the same thing… playing against the computer just didn’t do it for me. The online game play was far more fun, team work or not.
So, there are cheaters online who have “cheat codes” ?? I think that’s what killed Falcon 3… it became full of cheaters.
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I used to enjoy the co-op in Falcon 3.0… We did the everyone for themselves as well as team vs. team… that was just as fun if not even more fun… harder to set up however…
I just don’t want to play against the computer… I find that boring.
I had access to a playstation 3 at one time and was getting pretty good at Call of Duty and I found the same thing… playing against the computer just didn’t do it for me. The online game play was far more fun, team work or not.
So, there are cheaters online who have “cheat codes” ?? I think that’s what killed Falcon 3… it became full of cheaters.
I don’t know of any cheat codes. I do know that there is an AWACs program out there that also has a DB validator for ensuring that people aren’t cheating by modifying their DB’s.
However, in my opinion, this community of BMS pilots is an honorable one. You have to be to play a game like this. It requires a serious dedication, to develop a serious skill set. Most of the people here are PROUD of that skill set, and they WANT to show it off. And to do something like cheat in a sim…I don’t see them doing that.
I have only flown co-op, and a handful of training dogfights with people I trust, but I feel confident in my assessment of this community. It’s just not in their nature to cheat, because it cheapens what they have accomplished with getting to a point where they can fly a versus dogfight at all, and to have to say, “Yes I shot you down ten times.” and put an asterisk after it because they doubled or tripled the size of the plane model in their sim, I don’t see it happening.
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I never heard about cheating in the BMS community. Neither noticed any one cheating while playing on line.
This is a great community with people from all over the world that are serious and Military aviation “lovers” (did not find a better word)…
I believe everyone here is up to help people, but not cheating…
My thoughts…
Regards Metalhead -
Many people on in the winter.
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Good to know you guys aren’t seeing any cheating. It makes little difference how dedicated bms members are, or how hard they work to learn the skill… it only takes a few kiddies to ruin it… I just didn’t want to invest several hundred bucks into something that gets destroyed because of idiots.
thanks for the info.
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You won’t find any Air Quakers in this comumity, sir.
FBMS is far too complex for them.
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it only takes a few kiddies to ruin it.
It takes more then a few, and this community is self-policing for those kinds of behaviors.
That being said, Kids these days don’t have the patience to learn how to play a real sim like this. They’re to busy with push button shooters like Call of Duty.
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This Picture below should be a good preview for the Force on Force event’s over at Falcon Online
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I used to play Falcon 3.0 and about the only thing I found fun and exciting was playing against other real people via the online combat games.
Funny thing is, after a couple years I noticed two unfortunate things… First, there were a lot of cheaters. People flying invisible planes, invincible planes, and planes that didn’t even look like planes. In fact, I think I remember seeing a football flying around launching missiles at people… Oh, and then there’s the unlimited missiles cheat code too. The second thing I noticed was a rapidly declining number of players online at any one time. We used to have 10 or more people in a game and dozens of games going… then it declined to just one or two… then it was lucky if you joined a game an anyone was there to fight with.
Does the new Falcon 4.0 BMS have the same problems? How many people are online at any one time in these public games? Are there cheat codes that ruin it? Have they addressed any of the lag issues when planes would just hover in the air or zip across the board in 2 seconds due to internet lagging? How is that handled now?
Lastly (I think), how much bandwidth is required? I get ping times that range from 40ms to 115ms depending on the time of day and a max bandwidth of 1.5Mb/s down and 400Kb/s up. Ya… stay away from Frontier Internet as they suck horribly.
taking Falcon 3.0 as a refence for MP is like comparing a Ferrari LAFerrari with a Ford T.
Briefly :
- BMS online community is very active, more than 50 players in campaign real time during Events.
- BMS features a DR code that smothen a LOT the wrapping problems. Of course if one player has a 15 seconds pause in his connexion and performs manoeuvers during this time, no prediction code can do the job and LAG will happen. Overall, BMS experience is VERY SMOOTH
- There are some cheaters with BMS, but globally very few , and this is quite visible in game. Aditionnally, there are no more dogfights or pyramids events where scoring is what matters. Falcon BMS online experience is more about complex cooperation missions with high leve of prepration and this is of no interest for cheaters
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I used to play Falcon 3.0 and about the only thing I found fun and exciting was playing against other real people via the online combat games.
Funny thing is, after a couple years I noticed two unfortunate things… First, there were a lot of cheaters. People flying invisible planes, invincible planes, and planes that didn’t even look like planes. In fact, I think I remember seeing a football flying around launching missiles at people… Oh, and then there’s the unlimited missiles cheat code too. The second thing I noticed was a rapidly declining number of players online at any one time. We used to have 10 or more people in a game and dozens of games going… then it declined to just one or two… then it was lucky if you joined a game an anyone was there to fight with.
This is quite peculiar. I used to compete at William Tell for Falcon 3.0 and never seen the things that you speak of here. I remember the challenger having to pay the phone bill for overseas engagements; it was really a lot of fun back then. As for “cheat codes” etc there have been none that existed in that manner. I believe in the standard settings for a game the host could choose unlimited weapons, which the same is available in F4, but the client has to accept those settings. The decline of Falcon 3.0 players I didn’t notice either, although the anticipation of F4 releasing was really high, we all moved to it upon release. I’ve been flying F4 online since the spring of 1999, and in all these years I could count ‘cheaters’ on one hand…and these particular individuals were noted pretty quick and became a non issue.
Falcon is more of a ‘sharing knowledge’ community, rather than a self centered glorification arena…which is common in many other games. The ability to simulate real world tactics and doctrine here is fantastic,and one of the many reasons F4 persists, successfully.
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This is quite peculiar. I used to compete at William Tell for Falcon 3.0 and never seen the things that you speak of here. I remember the challenger having to pay the phone bill for overseas engagements; it was really a lot of fun back then. As for “cheat codes” etc there have been none that existed in that manner. I believe in the standard settings for a game the host could choose unlimited weapons, which the same is available in F4, but the client has to accept those settings. The decline of Falcon 3.0 players I didn’t notice either, although the anticipation of F4 releasing was really high, we all moved to it upon release. I’ve been flying F4 online since the spring of 1999, and in all these years I could count ‘cheaters’ on one hand…and these particular individuals were noted pretty quick and became a non issue.
Falcon is more of a ‘sharing knowledge’ community, rather than a self centered glorification arena…which is common in many other games. The ability to simulate real world tactics and doctrine here is fantastic,and one of the many reasons F4 persists, successfully.
I flew H2H BBS in the UK hosted by Leon ‘Badboy’ Smith back in F3 days, and would echo much of what KV has just said. Unfortunately though, if was DID EF2000 that saw the demise of F3 for us. Cheating was never an issue on H2H BBS - those who did/tried were quickly identified and removed from the rosters.
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When I played Falcon3, I never had the opportunity to go to a private server… it was always the public servers… I’m not sure how you guys didn’t see cheating if you got onto the public servers as there was at least 1 totally ridiculous and obvious cheater for every three or four players… I saw a freaking football flying through the air shooting people down…They called them “Skins” back then. I once saw a guy being shot down by bullets flying from a point in space where there was nothing there. Invisibility plane!! I just got sick and tired of it.
I understand your folks desire to simulate the real deal… but I also wonder where you draw the line… Please tell me that none of you are peeing into bags or putting snack bars into your pockets…
As for my take on this… I’m not into the simulation as much as the chess game that develops when a gun fight gets going. Pushing one button or another in some predetermined procedural order may have its place in real life, and its probably a nice thing to be familiar with when your life is on the line, but I’d rather pit my flight skills (or lack of!) against others in a variety of combat situations.
I watched a youtube video of a guy flying a mission… started off in a hanger , taxi out to the tarmac, then sits in line behind five or six other F16’s for what seemed like 10 minutes while each went through clearance to take off… From my perspective, I’d rather spend time kicking my daughters butt in a pillow fight or taking her for a ride on the tractor rather than sit in line in a video game. Let me say that again so it sinks in… “Waiting In Line In A Video Game!!” Just not my cup of tea…
I look forward to getting my hardware upgraded… Going to pick up an i5-2500K processor with an Asus mother board this afternoon… It will be another week before I see a video card though so no fear… I’m not flying online combat yet. I’m spending my time reading this forum, asking dumb questions, and watching youtube video’s to learn how to get my $800 plane into the air so I can shoot someone down, or get shot down!
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Choose a V squadron from here, which fits your needs/time and join it, and have fun my friend:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18057-List-of-Virtual-Fighter-Wings-and-Squadrons&p=259248&viewfull=1#post259248 -
Please tell me that none of you are peeing into bags or putting snack bars into your pockets…
Well, as for the snack bars… When you have to refuel (again) at the end of a 3-hour mission, sometimes some quick influx of sugar does help.
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Choose a V squadron from here, which fits your needs/time and join it, and have fun my friend:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18057-List-of-Virtual-Fighter-Wings-and-Squadrons&p=259248&viewfull=1#post259248Wow… that’s one heck of a list. Thanks!
I can’t wait to get this computer upgraded and get into this…
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Well, as for the snack bars… When you have to refuel (again) at the end of a 3-hour mission, sometimes some quick influx of sugar does help.
Weak Sauce.
…who needs a bag?
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:munch: I have one of them chairs.
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