Feedback BMS-Training.pdf
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I must admit that now I am confused. What is it you find confusing about the manual, lazy?
Jesper
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When I was new, after I read the manual, I simply referred to the checklist and highlighted the mandatory items with a highlighter. I think it is personal preference as to how far a person is going to simulate a ramp start. I usually just do the mandatory things and will learn the other things as they become mandatory. Of course, I’m lazy like that :).
The point is the manual clearly points out to the reader what is NOT mandatory so I think that is good enough.
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What is it you find confusing about the manual, lazy?
JesperMe, personally, … nothing.
Manuals are fine for me !I think it is personal preference as to how far a person is going to simulate a ramp start. I usually just do the mandatory things and will learn the other things as they become mandatory. Of course, I’m lazy like that :).
+1 here, … and you know I’m lazy.
The point is the manual clearly points out to the reader what is NOT mandatory so I think that is good enough.
Correct, and if a newbie read it the first time, he might invest a high effort to get it,
just to see at the end this test wasn’t mandory (yet).Anyway, I have to many stupid ideas these days, LOL,
and those good lads posting here know better than I
how this sim should be learned.Cheers,
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Me, personally, … nothing.
Manuals are fine for me !+1 here, … and you know I’m lazy.
Correct, and if a newbie read it the first time, he might invest a high effort to get it,
just to see at the end this test wasn’t mandory (yet).Anyway, I have to many stupid ideas these days, LOL,
and those good lads posting here know better than I
how this sim should be learned.Cheers,http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/hat_3.gif
LSI think you make valid points and support anyone questioning the status quo in order to improve our little hobby!
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Personally, I think it’s a great manual and I’m very happy to have it. It’s filling in SO many gaps in my limited knowledge. It’s concise and covers a lot of ground quickly. I’ll be working through it all, along with the missions, step by step until it becomes second nature. That should leave me very little time for nit-picking. I’m tired of climbing in the MP pit and having to rely on the other pilots to “get me sorted”. I’m tired of the fog of war becoming pea soup for me… and having my stupid, sofakinglazy ass swinging from the silk.
My hat’s off to Red Dog. Great job! Thanks a ton.
Cool Hand (aka sofakinglazy@*******.com);)
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lol, thanks Coolhand
The manual is WIP anyway and I hope to add more training missions in future updates
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Ok, so you’re not confused. Then I fail to see why you think others would be. It seems that what you call “eye candy” is good practices to make sure things are working, and I don’t think that will confuse anyone, or turn anyone away from the sim. On the contrary, doing the ramp start for the first time is exhilarating for most people, and knowing all one can do when ramp starting is awesome. The “eye candy” is a BONUS which will make newbies HAPPY. Take it away, and ramp start looks more like a boring routine than like an adventure to find out how the jet works!
Jesper
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Ok, so you’re not confused. Then I fail to see why you think others would be.
Because I’m reading the manuals since 1998, and I know how to read across them.
A newbie might be confused if he reads the 1rst sweep, following step by step,
rotating the knobs to set backup radio frequency, to get the result as shown
in the pictures of the manual, but will fail to see any numbers as long as there is no power.Oliver has already pointed out it is not an error, it’s by design.
So for me personally it’s fine.It seems that what you call “eye candy” …
Once again, eye candy are the words, directly from the trainings manual.;)
(see post#6)… is good practices to make sure things are working, and I don’t think that will confuse anyone, or turn anyone away from the sim. On the contrary, doing the ramp start for the first time is exhilarating for most people, and knowing all one can do when ramp starting is awesome. The “eye candy” is a BONUS which will make newbies HAPPY. Take it away, and ramp start looks more like a boring routine than like an adventure to find out how the jet works!
I was already told it’s better for newbies to learn everything, so marking those sections
like I suggested is not an option.If it’s really 100% fact that the “not mandory eye candy test stuff” will make every newbie happy,
regardless of his “greenness”, his personally learning curve and available time, etc.,
then I’m also happy, because the community will grow even more.Once again, for me personally the manuals are fine, and better than ever.
Cheers,
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Oh, the manuals are utterly amazing. They’re the best manuals I have seen to any flight simulator anywhere, even counting the commercial ones I have seen.
But y’know, the eye candy gives an immediate reward. Exactly what you were arguing the newbie should get. When I push the lamp test button stuff happens in the cockpit. I’m no longer just following a list of “do this, do that, and the jet will start at the end”, but I’m lighting up buttons, learning how things hang together, and actually using stuff.
And yes, this is an argument against turning stuff on before there is power as well, because that makes it feel more like it’s a chore and not a process of discovery and learning. But the eye candy is very much a part of the discovery.
Jesper
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I’m reluctant to appear critical of Red Dog’s hard and excellent work but maybe “eye candy” is not the best phrase to use. I’ve only heard that phrase used in reference to visual effects in games (e.g. “if you have a powerful GPU you can turn up the eye candy”) so perhaps saying something like “This step just confirms the lamps are working and is not mandatory” would have less potential for any misunderstanding?
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that’s right
how about button candy? -
I like button candy but I guess it should really be finger candy
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nice
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Smallish error on page 137, second to last paragraph: Attack azimuth for a JDAM is controlled with OSB7, not OSB8.
Edit RD: corrected in next version
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Suggestion - Training Guide - Mission 2: Basic Navigation - Page 34
Text seems to suggest pre 4.33 mode selection behavior (auto-selected)
“Select the TOS page.
Depending on the TOS page being mode selected or not the HUD will display ETA or ETE to the selected steerpoint.
Note that when TOS is mode selected it is highlighted in green.
When not mode selected only the asterisks of the scratchpad are highlighted.
In this case it is highlighted and the HUD displays ETA.”Suggest something explaining the select step in 4.33
“Switch to the TOS page. The scratchpad highlights the asterisks of the current page. Select this mode with ICP 0 MSEL and notice how the mode is now highlighted in green. The HUD now displays ETA to the selected steerpoint (not ETE) and an airspeed caret appears on the HUD speed scale.”
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don’t get it.
The text is correct. The only difference is that “by default” in 4.33 TOS is not mode selected
but the behaviour of one or the other one is unchanged.
The user should see if TOS is mode selected or not depending on the highlight as the text implies? -
well, I played the training mission and reading
“When not mode selected only the asterisks of the scratchpad are highlighted.
In this case it is highlighted and the HUD displays ETA.”"simply doesn’t match what’s happening during the flight, thus is confusing.
In the mission as flown TOS ends up not being selected - if the training mentions how to select it (ICP 0) you’d avoid questions in the forum re caret showing.
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In the training manual on the Mission 2: Basic Navigation, p32, at the bottom where it says “the CDI is still set to 248°…”. I think it should be “the Course Arrow is still set to 248°…” The CDI has moved to the 2nd dot, parallel to the Course Arrow .
Edit RD: corrected in next version
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Yep, will correct, thanks
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in <bms-training.pdf>, p.99
Knowing from which side the bomb will be released is therefore very useful and can be easily checked in the TGP page by looking at the highlighted station number.
The station selected for dropping can be changed with the MSL STEP button on your sidestick.i tested it, it dos’t work, it cycle bomb mode from CCRP CCIP DTOS.
Edit RD: corrected in next version</bms-training.pdf>