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@jc1:
Finally got the airbrakes working. But a new problem. Below I’ve included a part of my keyfile and tmc file. Why can’t I change the steerpoint when I press H3U on the joystick? Nothing happens.
Here’s a picture of my BMS Controller setup screen showing that DMS Up is set.
keyfile:
SimTriggerFirstDetent 32 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimPickle 33 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimHotasPinkyShift 35 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimMissileStep 36 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimTMSUp 38 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimTMSRight 39 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimTMSDown 40 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimTMSLeft 41 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimDMSUp 42 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimDMSRight 43 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimDMSDown 44 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimDMSLeft 45 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimCMSUp 46 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimCMSRight 47 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimCMSDown 48 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
SimCMSLeft 49 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
AFBrakesIn 62 8 -2 0 0x0 -1
AFBrakesOut 63 8 -2 0 0x0 -1tmc file:
MapKey(&Joystick, TG1, DX1);
MapKey(&Joystick, S2, DX2);
MapKey(&Joystick, S4, DX4);
MapKey(&Joystick, S1, DX5);
MapKey(&Joystick, H2U, DX7);
MapKey(&Joystick, H2R, DX8 );
MapKey(&Joystick, H2D, DX9);
MapKey(&Joystick, H2L, DX10);
MapKey(&Joystick, H3U, DX11);
MapKey(&Joystick, H3R, DX12);
MapKey(&Joystick, H3D, DX13);
MapKey(&Joystick, H3L, DX14);
MapKey(&Joystick, H4U, DX15);
MapKey(&Joystick, H4R, DX16);
MapKey(&Joystick, H4D, DX17);
MapKey(&Joystick, H4L, DX18 );
MapKey(&Throttle, SPDF, DX31); //Close speedbrake
MapKey(&Throttle, SPDB, DX32); //Open speedbrakeSimDMSUp changes the steerpoint? I did not know that.
It did when I used CH Products joystick. Here’s the relevant code from my keyfile when I used CH stick.
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SimDMSUp 8 -1 -2 0 0x0 0
SimDMSRight 9 -1 -2 0 0x0 0
SimDMSDown 10 -1 -2 0 0x0 0
SimDMSLeft 11 -1 -2 0 0x0 0Just got Thrustmaster and want to write my own tmc file. Anyway what joystick button on Thrustmaster changes the steerpoint?
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DMS shouldn’t change the steerpoint. TMS up with the HSD cursors over a flight plan dot does though.
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@jc1:
…. what joystick button on Thrustmaster changes the steerpoint?
Dunno. I’m not saying that you’re wrong …. I’m saying ‘I did not know that.’ I’ve never used DMS Up to change steerpoints and did not know it could be done.
Now, to be persnickety, ‘buttons’ do not change steerpoints, or anything else. Buttons call commands; commands change things (steerpoints or whatever). In the end, it’s not ‘what button’ that is important, but ‘what command’.
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DMS shouldn’t change the steerpoint. TMS up with the HSD cursors over a flight plan dot does though.
When I used CH, I could change steerpoints with DMS Up. So what does Thrustmaster DMS Up do? And, I thought TMS up targeted, at least it did with CH and still does for me with Thrustmaster. BTW, Frederf, do you use a Cougar or a Warthog. I use Warthog.
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@jc1:
What does DMS Up do? And, I thought TMS up targeted.
x:\Falcon BMS 4.33\Docs\Falcon BMS Manuals\TO-BMS1F-16CM-1.pdf Page 54.
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Dunno. I’m not saying that you’re wrong …. I’m saying ‘I did not know that.’ I’ve never used DMS Up to change steerpoints and did not know it could be done.
Now, to be persnickety,
Who cares?
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JC1;
Maybe you used the wrong key command for DMS. Up/DN/L/R should change what page your MFD is on or what display is the system point of interest. CH allows you to have 32 buttons mapped on the stick or throttle device each, I use the Fighterstick usb. I can change the mode of the stick which allows me to access all 32 buttons, even though the stick only has 20 buttons & 3 axis. 4 of those buttons I leave to be my view;so I don’t have the trim portion set up. They claim it’s possible to have ~128 buttons on the stick but you need to script them. I have my hands full with 20 as it is, there is a rocker switch on the ICP that would allow you to change the steerpoint, perhaps that is what happened or maybe you pushed the keyboard command for steerpoint increase while using your stick. DMS up should make the HUD the SOI & give you an * in the HUD, showing you that it is the display of interest at the time. -
@jc1:
Who cares?
Sorry? Who cares about which?
If you mean my nit-picky comments about buttons vs commands, it’s hugely important to your question. “What joystick button on Thrustmaster changes the steerpoint?” There is NO answer to that question except in a single, specific context …. that is as it relates to one single keyfile. You can assign the ‘steerpoint changing command’ to many/any different button on the HOTAS. No one knows what button that might be for you or me as we might choose to put that command on different buttons.
The ‘better’ question is, “What command changes steerpoints and how do I assign that to button x on my HOTAS?”
Or, perhaps, I’ve misunderstood? Maybe I’m not ‘getting it’ and not adding value to the conversation. ??
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x:\Falcon BMS 4.33\Docs\Falcon BMS Manuals\TO-BMS1F-16CM-1.pdf Page 54.
That didn’t help. I was not returning from VIP or VRP. My SOI was HUD.
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I can make any button on my joystick raise or lower my landing gear if I want to. SimDMSUp should never change the current steerpoint. If a button did do that it probably wasn’t configured as SimDMSUp, but if it was then a reproduction case should be discovered as that would be a bug.
I have a Warthog.
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I can make any button on my joystick raise or lower my landing gear if I want to. SimDMSUp should never change the current steerpoint. If a button did do that it probably wasn’t configured as SimDMSUp, but if it was then a reproduction case should be discovered as that would be a bug.
I have a Warthog.
I just got Warthog last week. Before that I use CH Products stuff and still use their pedals. With CH I could always change the steerpoint with DMS Up. My CH keyfile had the “Full” file with this at the end.
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SimDMSUp 8 -1 -2 0 0x0 0
SimDMSRight 9 -1 -2 0 0x0 0
SimDMSDown 10 -1 -2 0 0x0 0
SimDMSLeft 11 -1 -2 0 0x0 0The bug must still be in CH. That’s why I’m still shocked that DMS Up on the Warthog doesn’t change steerpoint, and apparently is not supposed to, change steerpoints.
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@jc1:
I just got Warthog last week. Before that I use CH Products stuff and still use their pedals. With CH I could always change the steerpoint with DMS Up. My CH keyfile had the “Full” file with this at the end.
Hat 2
SimDMSUp 8 -1 -2 0 0x0 0
SimDMSRight 9 -1 -2 0 0x0 0
SimDMSDown 10 -1 -2 0 0x0 0
SimDMSLeft 11 -1 -2 0 0x0 0The bug must still be in CH. That’s why I’m still shocked that DMS Up on the Warthog doesn’t change steerpoint, and apparently is not supposed to, change steerpoints.
Frederf, I’ll just accept it, since I don’t have CH any more.
@jc1:
That didn’t help. I was not returning from VIP or VRP. My SOI was HUD.
Agave_Blue, Given that Frederf insists that CH Products should never have allowed me to change steerpoints, and I still can’t believe it allowed me to do that for such a long time, your reference to x:\Falcon BMS 4.33\Docs\Falcon BMS Manuals\TO-BMS1F-16CM-1.pdf Page 54. helps out.
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@jc1:
….your reference to x:\Falcon BMS 4.33\Docs\Falcon BMS Manuals\TO-BMS1F-16CM-1.pdf Page 54. helps out.
That reference (and the TQS one around Page 27) should come close to defining what the RL HOTAS buttons do, and which BMS commands apply.
There are couple of fairly minor exceptions. For example, the HSD and TMS Up on a planned steerpoint that Frederf mentioned, is not shown. Or, for example, having cage/uncage work to declutter the HUD when gear is down.
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That reference (and the TQS one around Page 27) should come close to defining what the RL HOTAS buttons do, and which BMS commands apply.
There are couple of fairly minor exceptions. For example, the HSD and TMS Up on a planned steerpoint that Frederf mentioned, is not shown. Or, for example, having cage/uncage work to declutter the HUD when gear is down.
Thanks, I’ll give those diagrams more scrutiny now. The person who gave me the CH keyfile must have had something changed for the SimICPnext/SimICPPrevious, SimDMSUp/SimDMSDown callbacks in order to be able to use DMS Up to change steerpoints. Since I got used to using the stick buttons to send electrical signals to the computer chips that contain the software that access the in-memory commands that drive Falcon:D, I wanted that capability in my new Warthog. I’m writing my own Thrustmaster tmc file, getting guidance from the ones put out there by Frederf, Mud, Morphine and DonLduk (thank you, guys). I now can change steerpoints with the TMS Up/TMS Down keys on my Warthog with code like this:
//Steerpoints
MapKey(&Joystick, H2U, USB[87]); //Next Steerpoint, SIMICPNext, 0x4E, ‘NumberPad +’
MapKey(&Joystick, H2D, USB[86]); //Previous Steerpoint, SIMICPrevious, 0x4A,‘NumberPad -’
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@jc1:
When I used CH, I could change steerpoints with DMS Up. So what does Thrustmaster DMS Up do? And, I thought TMS up targeted, at least it did with CH and still does for me with Thrustmaster. BTW, Frederf, do you use a Cougar or a Warthog. I use Warthog.
I can see where this is going…
Then just use Target to assign key strokes for what ever you think (or wont) the Stick/Throttle inputs should do.
OK your using shifted layers.
Except are are going to lose out on much of the advanced capability of a modern HOTAS ?
Im not much for shifted layers & have never used Target scripting.
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Dont forget that the DX numbering for the buttons on youre peripherals is directly related to you’re device Controller ID number.
Use DirectX diagnostic tool and go to the input tab to get you’re device ID #'s
Also you can reference this thread. It may help you.
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?8147-Morphine-s-Profile&highlight=morphine -
Hi,
I try to have a fully DX Hoats programmed.
With the help of The BMS KEY FILE EDITOR and files in the Documentation Folder, I am really Successfull, except for 1 point :I can’t MAke the POV on the throttle work. (it works nicely when testing the trottle via properties in the windows game controllers)
I try the DXSpecifics tab for that, but no way.I tried the POV hat2, 3 or 4 settings :
Here is the lines i tried for nb 2:SimRadarElevationUp 1 -1 -3 0 0x0 0
SimDoNothing 1 -1 -3 1 0x0 0
SimRangeKnobUp 1 -1 -3 2 0x0 0
SimDoNothing 1 -1 -3 3 0x0 0
SimRadarElevationDown 1 -1 -3 4 0x0 0
SimDoNothing 1 -1 -3 5 0x0 0
SimRangeKnobDown 1 -1 -3 6 0x0 0
SimDoNothing 1 -1 -3 7 0x0 0I notice that, reading the TM Warthog tab, the POV has no fonction Assigned. Is There a specific reason for that ?
I hope someone will be able to give me some advice.
Windblow
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There is no POV on the Throttle ??
The Sim defaults to seeing the POV on the Stick as a Point Of View control without it needing any other user programing. I use it in a shifted state to adjust trim.
Apples or oranges ? Which input are you trying to program ?
The other 4 way HAT switches on the throttle are normaly, and best in my opinion, used for 'Coms Sw" and radar Azimuth/Bar Scan
Radar Range should be controlled by moving the Radar cursor/gates to the outer limit of the B scope, there it will initiate a switch to the next “range”. and the same in reverse. Or use the MFD OSB19/20
Radar elevation is best set with the analogue rotary on the right side of the throttle base. You will need to do in the setup/advanced/avionics page of Falcon/BMS. And I use Target to modify the sensitivity/saturation of this input.
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In DirectInput language the Warthog throttle absolutely has a POV hat. It’s the coolie. BMS of course only recognizes the POV of the primary DX device which would sensibly be Warthog Joystick in this case. The “Thrustmaster Combined” virtual device’s POV depends on the script run.
My control setup is trying to mimic the real thing as best as I can, even down to which finger touches what. I try not to outwardly care about what Frankenstein controls people come up with but I wish they’d give more credit to General Dynamics’s original design at least until you give it a fair shake. Anyway, I don’t really care except the person who takes liberties accepts responsibility for any confusion when discussing their custom scheme with a general audience.
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Hi,
I try to have a fully DX Hoats programmed.
With the help of The BMS KEY FILE EDITOR and files in the Documentation Folder, I am really Successfull, except for 1 point :I can’t MAke the POV on the throttle work. (it works nicely when testing the trottle via properties in the windows game controllers)
I try the DXSpecifics tab for that, but no way.I tried the POV hat2, 3 or 4 settings :
Here is the lines i tried for nb 2:SimRadarElevationUp 1 -1 -3 0 0x0 0
SimDoNothing 1 -1 -3 1 0x0 0
SimRangeKnobUp 1 -1 -3 2 0x0 0
SimDoNothing 1 -1 -3 3 0x0 0
SimRadarElevationDown 1 -1 -3 4 0x0 0
SimDoNothing 1 -1 -3 5 0x0 0
SimRangeKnobDown 1 -1 -3 6 0x0 0
SimDoNothing 1 -1 -3 7 0x0 0I notice that, reading the TM Warthog tab, the POV has no fonction Assigned. Is There a specific reason for that ?
Windblow
Maybe I need to be more precise.
Throttle Warthog has a POV button (see properties in Game controllers), no doubt with that.
I Don’t need the POV fonction but would like to use this hat has a 4 ways button (radar elevation (up and down) and range (left and right)).My comprehension of the key file editor is that both stick and throttle of TM Warthog are Primary DX device (1 and 2), even if not combined : is that correct ?
If yes, I should be able to program the throttle POV.