Free up grade to win 10 only few days left, should i ?
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I could have swore that he had a more southern accent
Uhh, wait, that might be Coco??? I MAY have to digress and Edit my post after I eat my shoe!!!
C9
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@Cloud:
Uhh, wait, that might be Coco??? I MAY have to digress and Edit my post after I eat my shoe!!!
C9
Ask Cortana not me
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Iām late - free upgrade ended on 29/7 - but I really hope you didnāt miss the chance to take advantage of it.
Um no thanks to MS choices on Win 10 I have zero interest in it. Even at free it was unpalatable to me.
I switched to 10 several months ago and sincerely would not ever look back and also do not understand the widespread distrust against it.
Iāve seen enough of MS in action to know that they are going to do what is right by them and by no one else. If it HAPPENS to also be right for the user then itās a bonus. They try to force their ideas of what computing should be doing (Win 8 tiles anyone?) and then when there is a huge back lash against it they blame US for the change.
The last time I checked I pay the bills for this computer not MS. As soon as they cut me a check they can treat MY computer like itās theirs. Not one damned second sooner.
Personally, I consider 10 the best OS ever produced by Microsoft: itās rock solid, very fast (it for sure is faster than 7 by an order of magnitude)
Faster than Win 7 I will give you. Magnitudes faster? Um no. I have beta tested Win 10 since it was first available to test so I have been able to compare the two directly.
simple to use and well organized, constantly and automatically upgraded in order to keep it smooth and secure, absolutely NO compatibility problems with BMS and the whole bunch of software I use everyday. What else could you - āman that walks down the streetā - ask to an OS?
Oh I donāt know. How about the same level of control over what is updated to my OS just like I do with Win 7? Or control over what MS can and cannot take from my system in the parlance of ātelemetryā?
I am not talking about having to dig in and do registry entries or such. EVERY bit of those two options should have easy on/off switches that MS can NOT change on a whim. For those who are digging into the registry etc. to turn things off at the end of the day that can be fools gold as MS can just as easily force patch your Win 10 to turn them right back on and remove the ability to turn it off. Thanks but NO thanks.
As for privacy concerns, itās enough to use the tools the OS itself provides you with to control it or follow one of the dozens guides youāll find on the Internet to be reasonably safe if you - as the majority of people - donāt need to hide who knows what
You know here in the USA we have this thing called the fourth amendment to the constitution which protects against unreasonable search and seizure. This is nothing to do with hiding anything. This has everything to do with it is MY computer and what I do with it is no damned business of MS. If that doesnāt bother you then fine enjoy your Win 10. Do not marginalize legitimate opinions because they do not fall in line with yours.
(in this case stop using Google, Gmail and all other cloud services too, thanks! ).
Yeah already donāt thanksā¦
On servers I no doubt prefer Linux and all the above is just my humble opinion, but I think itās a fact that with 10 MS offered an excellent client product, ideal for most people daily use.
For those who do not care if MS takes over control of their computers sure. Granted there are a lot of people that donāt care and if they donāt then sure Win 10 is a solid choice. For people like me that was a non starter as soon as it became obvious what MS was doing.
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@Mud:
Iām on 14393 Redstone (Anniversary build) and Cortana can still be disabled. The search can also be completely removed with some scripting.
Yeah no thanks. I refuse to play a back and forth game with MS over control of MY computer. You can fix that now then MS will just counter with something else to attempt to force end users into only using their products ala bing, cortana, etc.
@Mud:
Windows 7 is also pushing updates which do telemetry lately. So donāt think youāre āsafeā there.
Yes I am safe. Just as anyone who pays attention to the updates on Win 8 and older is. Simply because without my direct permission NONE of that telemetry garbage gets installed onto my Win 7 computer. Which none of it got permission. It got un-checked and hidden as an āupdateā. For those who do not pay attention or care then they might as well be on Win 10.
@Mud:
I personally turn off as much of it as I can, and apart from that I donāt really care all that much as long as it doesnāt affect my performance.
Whether you run W7 or W10 ā¦ who cares in the end ā¦ whatever floats your boat.Which is fine. Just because you turn it off in Win 10 doesnāt mean it will stay off or that MS wonāt patch that away. It isnāt your computer under Win 10.
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Which is fine. Just because you turn it off in Win 10 doesnāt mean it will stay off or that MS wonāt patch that away. It isnāt your computer under Win 10.
And what exactly makes you think you have complete control of your Windows 7? We all know, or should know, that thereās only one alternative at the moment and that is Linux. And Iām not talking about the popular distroās like Ubuntu, but rather distroās like Slackware. For gaming, not a very viable option.
Iāve been on W10 for a year and I canāt say Iāve felt for a moment that my pc didnāt belong to me anymore. Iām an system admin for a company with +100k employees and weāre moving to W10 within the next 6-12 months. I guess if it were that bad, the central IS/IT team is making a terrible mistake, no?
If they want to data mine, Iāll let them on my gaming rig as much as they want. All the big players are doing it anyway.
To finish up: Iām not as fond of 10 as I was of 7 when it came out, and I skipped 8 and 8.1. At some point you basically have no choice (dx12 for example).
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@Mud:
And what exactly makes you think you have complete control of your Windows 7?
Because my updates are set to announce only. I then go into the Windows Update utility and read each and every one. This is how none of the telemetry garbage or āGet Windows 10ā garbage ever saw the light of day on my computer. That is control. MS can not install anything on this computer without my explicit permission to do so.
@Mud:
Iāve been on W10 for a year and I canāt say Iāve felt for a moment that my pc didnāt belong to me anymore.
If losing that control and that level of intrusiveness doesnāt bother you that is fine. This doesnāt prove a thing.
@Mud:
Iām an system admin for a company with +100k employees and weāre moving to W10 within the next 6-12 months. I guess if it were that bad, the central IS/IT team is making a terrible mistake, no?
Enterprise edition is a completely different animal thanks to the custom software that a lot of businesses run and MS gave more control over updates to businesses for that very reason. Enterprise edition also costs money per year per user. The individual users donāt have much of a say as the computer isnāt theirs. It is the businesses. Straw man arguments donāt fly.
@Mud:
If they want to data mine, Iāll let them on my gaming rig as much as they want. All the big players are doing it anyway.
Heh I am not going the way of the lemmings.
@Mud:
To finish up: Iām not as fond of 10 as I was of 7 when it came out, and I skipped 8 and 8.1. At some point you basically have no choice (dx12 for example).
DX12 wonāt be a forcing point for a VERY long time to come. Granted I wonāt see the DX12 improvements in my gaming but Win 7 and this computer will be LONG gone before DX11 isnāt supported or used anymore. New games always come with backwards compatibility so people still using DX11 will be able to enjoy new games. I think BMS still using DX9 just fine is a good example of they potential staying power of not bleeding edge DX.
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About Cortana: itās available in only a dozen or so selected regions, and in the rest of the world itās just not available at all. No Corana search bar, no speech recognition functions (other than those built-in system like in previous Windows versionsā¦ but those usually are not available at all in native languages, either) etc. So while some try to or want to disable, many people actually would want to be able to enable such functionality.
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About Cortana: itās available in only a dozen or so selected regions, and in the rest of the world itās just not available at all. No Corana search bar, no speech recognition functions (other than those built-in system like in previous Windows versionsā¦ but those usually are not available at all in native languages, either) etc. So while some try to or want to disable, many people actually would want to be able to enable such functionality.
Is Siri available in Poland or its the same ? What about Ok Google ?
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Enterprise edition is a completely different animal thanks to the custom software that a lot of businesses run and MS gave more control over updates to businesses for that very reason. Enterprise edition also costs money per year per user. The individual users donāt have much of a say as the computer isnāt theirs. It is the businesses. Straw man arguments donāt fly.
Iāll get back to you on that once I know which version weāll be running. Currently (W7) itās Pro, not Enterprise.
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@Mud:
Iāll get back to you on that once I know which version weāll be running. Currently (W7) itās Pro, not Enterprise.
Even if the business uses pro versus enterprise the fact remains that the employees donāt own those computers the business does. So the business is the one accepting the conditions. The business doesnāt have to worry about something like MS industrial espionage or anything of that sort. Trying to compare individual users on home computers to business employees on business computers is an apples to oranges comparison on many levels.
Since the pro version doesnāt have the same level of control over updates if that business is also using several pieces of custom or business specific pieces of software they could be in for a rude awakening on a forced update that breaks something the business requires for use. I was also a network administrator but for the USAF back in the day and we had people that required very old/outdated software and making everything play nice was fun.
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Even if the business uses pro versus enterprise the fact remains that the employees donāt own those computers the business does. So the business is the one accepting the conditions. The business doesnāt have to worry about something like MS industrial espionage or anything of that sort. Trying to compare individual users on home computers to business employees on business computers is an apples to oranges comparison on many levels.
Yes no one should worry about Microsoft business practice
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Is Siri available in Poland or its the same ? What about Ok Google ?
Siri is not blocked so you can use it, but it doesnāt support our language, and some advanced functions may not work here. OK Google and Google Now seem to support Polish.
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Hey Cortanaā¦ do you know more than Siri?
Hey Cortana where is Siri?
Hey Cortana which is sexier? You or Siri?
Hey Cortana r u there?
:lol:
Hmmm in Exorcist the evil was a girlā¦
In win10 Cortana is a girlā¦
Hmmm Mo is right afterallā¦
:rofl:
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@Mud:
Iām an system admin for a company with +100k employees and weāre moving to W10 within the next 6-12 months. I guess if it were that bad, the central IS/IT team is making a terrible mistake, no?
This may sound like a recommendation to you, but to me itās quite the opposite in fact. Iāve worked as a Unix / Network guy in a mostly MS-devoted corporation with 100k+ employees for the last couple of decades as well, and let me tell you the decisions those central IT / IS teams tend to make usually have nothing to do with the quality or āfit for useā-fulness of a product, but everything with enterprise contracts, contacts, who meets with whom for a round of Golf on the weekend, where the current CTO worked in the past and so on and so on and a general ānobody ever got fired for buying IBMā attitude that is so prevalent in IT it makes anyone with a half-decent background in IT and tech want toā¦ I donāt know.
We only recently got issued a āwindows phoneā only directive for our mobile devices if you can believe it (at a time when even MS decides to kill some of their own products on this platform), so my trusty cm13-based s3 will be the last ever company phone for me for the forseeable future.
As I said originally, I hope weāll have a better alternative for running BMS on when support for win7 expires, and iām praying it wonāt have anything to do with MS unless they decide to change their attitude towards their customers (and their behaviour, one can dream :D) fundamentally.
All the best, Uwe
PS: I see this turning into a BMS / DCS style thread, so just to clarify I donāt want to ignite any landmines, to each his / her own etc. yada yada
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Oh donāt forget Intel alsoā¦ itās in the same bagā¦
Also in a 100k+ clients I believe you strip down everything and you manage and proxy everything via tunneling so the trouble is on the user and not on the admin team. Also you can create a clean - final instance of a setup and populate it to all the clients as you wishā¦ So please when you will be on the process of altering those 100k+ clients give us a feedback of how smooth it went and how many things you stopped or blocked or ripped offā¦ In comparison to win7 for exampleā¦
oh and why didnāt you do it for free till now?
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Hey Cortanaā¦ do you know more than Siri?
Hey Cortana where is Siri?
Hey Cortana which is sexier? You or Siri?
Hey Cortana r u there?
:lol:
Hmmm in Exorcist the evil was a girlā¦
In win10 Cortana is a girlā¦
Hmmm Mo is right afterallā¦
:rofl:
Couple your iphone to your windows 10 mic and ask them to play together for you
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Couple your iphone to your windows 10 mic and ask them to play together for you
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I donāt have a siri capable iPhoneā¦