Fssb R3 and TUSBA questions
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Hello I am interested in the fssb R3 and TUSBA combo for my BMS, but I am a little afraid that using both devices without the TARGET software would make some functions unavaliable specially those related to button delays etc… is the in game key assignment enough to program both the joystick and TQS fine? The FSSB R3 can be used with the TARGET but the TUSBA doesnt. What functionality will I loose vs using a FSSB R2 witht the cougar base and throttle connected to it using the TARGET software?
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I use R2 and DX only, nothing lost, no target emulation
isn’t r3 for the warthog only??
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If you want realistic functionality with the Cougar (or WH stick), use DX only, no softwrae required. I only use DX only on my TUSBA and FSSB R2 for maximum realism.
If you want stuff like timed taps for extra, non realistic functionality (eg. 0.5 sec tap to activate TIR center), TUSBA won’t do it. AFAIK, TUSBA won’t do shifted key presses either. The FSSB changes no functionality of the stick with or without software.R1 and R2 are for Cougar stick and R3 is for WH stick.
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Ok I thought functions like the delay on the NWS button for changing missile had a realistic delay. I will go for R3 and warthog stick and cougar throttle with TUSBA. I think the warthog stick is more accurate to scale than the cougar but does the real f16 stick has a z (push) axle on the CMS hat? Do you leave this button unassigned?
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you are going for a warthog and r3??
why not get a used cougar, then r2?
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If you want realistic functionality with the Cougar (or WH stick), use DX only, no softwrae required. I only use DX only on my TUSBA and FSSB R2 for maximum realism.
If you want stuff like timed taps for extra, non realistic functionality (eg. 0.5 sec tap to activate TIR center), TUSBA won’t do it. AFAIK, TUSBA won’t do shifted key presses either. The FSSB changes no functionality of the stick with or without software.R1 and R2 are for Cougar stick and R3 is for WH stick.
shifted works with Tusba. It’s just another dx device so it folllows the same Logic. Works fine here.
Rest I agree. I have Tusba,
Rusba and rs fss r1 and use it dx only -
you are going for a warthog and r3??
why not get a used cougar, then r2?
I can get a used cougar and a used warthog joystick too I thought warthog stick is better than cougar one in terms of quality and more similar to the real thing am I wrong?
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I can get a used cougar and a used warthog joystick too I thought warthog stick is better than cougar one in terms of quality and more similar to the real thing am I wrong?
Oh, you can get both used, I see….
I have not seen or used the warthog in person, so I can not say one is “better”, but I can say I’m very happy with cougar stick with the r2.
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Warthog stick is superior to cougar. If you have tje money, get both. Never hurts to have a spare.
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Not to mention that White Eagle is working on an FCC3 solution for the Warthog stick…which totally replaces the Warthog stick PCB. Not only a cool idea because it eliminates the need to use the outdated Cougar PCB, but also leaves you the intact Warthog base to use for another project. Already have an FCC3 on a Cougar base, but REALLY looking forward to grabbing one of these to use in my pit project with the far superior Warthog grip!
http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php/topic,10735.msg156693.html#msg156693
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shifted works with Tusba. It’s just another dx device so it folllows the same Logic. Works fine here.
Rest I agree. I have Tusba,
Rusba and rs fss r1 and use it dx onlyI did not mean shifted did not work. I mean it only works with DX. You cannot shift a keyboard keypress without software I don’t think. If you can, let me know how.
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Warthog stick is superior to cougar. If you have tje money, get both. Never hurts to have a spare.
In what aspects it is superior? I see it a little more exact to the real thing aesthetically
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Much higher quality switches, for starters…more MILSPEC feel, if not actual Otto switches. Also better fidelity to mold line - look/feels/constructed more like the real grip, most notable in how the paddle switch is done.
One of the guys over on VP took the top cap off his and had it engraved Cougar/F-16 style and it came out REALLY great, but I’d settle for rub on decals…if I HAD to have the lettering. But far better grip all the way around.
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In what aspects it is superior? I see it a little more exact to the real thing aesthetically
Compared to tje real stick and mil sim in Belgium warthog comes closer in regards of tactile switches (harder to push), paddel Indeed more realistic measirements and overall better quality built.
Add a correct 3D printed dms switch and you have An almost perfect replica. -
If you want realistic functionality with the Cougar (or WH stick), use DX only, no softwrae required. I only use DX only on my TUSBA and FSSB R2 for maximum realism.
If you want stuff like timed taps for extra, non realistic functionality (eg. 0.5 sec tap to activate TIR center), TUSBA won’t do it. AFAIK, TUSBA won’t do shifted key presses either. The FSSB changes no functionality of the stick with or without software.R1 and R2 are for Cougar stick and R3 is for WH stick.
Hello how is managed the nws/ missile cycle without programming in the joystick? I mean the manual assigns a different function for the s1 switch when tapped <0.5s and more than 0.5s to cycle between the same type of misiles or change an AA missile type and I think it is the real thing ir I am wrong?
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Hello how is managed the nws/ missile cycle without programming in the joystick? I mean the manual assigns a different function for the s1 switch when tapped <0.5s and more than 0.5s to cycle between the same type of misiles or change an AA missile type and I think it is the real thing ir I am wrong?
If it’s a real function, and implemented in BMS, the sim will handle that logic for you, no need to program it yourself on top.
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Hello how is managed the nws/ missile cycle without programming in the joystick? I mean the manual assigns a different function for the s1 switch when tapped <0.5s and more than 0.5s to cycle between the same type of misiles or change an AA missile type and I think it is the real thing ir I am wrong?
NWS steering works when WoW, then cycles weapons etc. as per manual when airborne. DX S1 also performs as manual says if DX command is used. If you use DX, it does exactly how the manual says it does and is realistic. No need for separate functions programmed…… the DX commands are quite elegant.
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Not to mention that White Eagle is working on an FCC3 solution for the Warthog stick…which totally replaces the Warthog stick PCB. Not only a cool idea because it eliminates the need to use the outdated Cougar PCB, but also leaves you the intact Warthog base to use for another project. Already have an FCC3 on a Cougar base, but REALLY looking forward to grabbing one of these to use in my pit project with the far superior Warthog grip!
http://www.viperpits.org/smf/index.php/topic,10735.msg156693.html#msg156693
I applaud this effort by White-Eagle, being one of his customers. Its important to note that this WHog force mod will not be compatible to TARGET as it will be a pure DX controller.
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… What functionality will I loose vs using a FSSB R2 witht the cougar base and throttle connected to it using the TARGET software?
Regards.The Whog has a CMS hat with a down button action, the Cougar does not.
That being said, I use the Whog FSS on the Cougar-FCC3 base because i like the Whog stick grip better.
Cougar sticks had two different paint treatments over its production runs. One was matt black and one was shiny black. One was more succeptable to palm sweat/salt than the other and would come off eventually. The Whog does not suffer this issue afaik. Real FSS eventually wear through too, so its not that bad of a thing unless you like them minty like I do.
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The Whog has a CMS hat with a down button action, the Cougar does not.
That being said, I use the Whog FSS on the Cougar-FCC3 base because i like the Whog stick grip better.
Cougar sticks had two different paint treatments over its production runs. One was matt black and one was shiny black. One was more succeptable to palm sweat/salt than the other and would come off eventually. The Whog does not suffer this issue afaik. Real FSS eventually wear through too, so its not that bad of a thing unless you like them minty like I do.
Just to avoid confusion - by down, AV8R mean’s depressing. Most people read CMS down as CMS Aft - I see the confusion frequently, so thought I’d quickly stick my nose in