CPU performance
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Some already know, but hear are some hard numbers:
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Read an interesting article on /. on that topic:
Cheers, Uwe
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One word for you all….
“Zen”
3.4Ghz using 95w, 14nm dies. Overclocking Ryzen on this chip set could be a power and speed breakthrough. Think of overclocking a Zen to 5Ghz using only 135w!!! I am currently stable at 4.7Ghz (Bulldozer) using 1.625v. The Ryzen could get to 5Ghz @ 1.225v or less! So is Intel just fluff for mobile hardware for now? It appears so, but expect Intel to ramp up there die process as Zen pushes far forward when there Ryzen is finally released. Interesting times ahead as I just built a new rig and the new Zen processors are just now coming out.
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Yes I have done some reading on their new CPU.
Of particular interest to me is their use of14nm FinFET in their chip.
So hears hoping for some real competition to Intel at a good price. (again)
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This is kind of a general issue (and not too new, there are lectures by Sophie Wilson and Yale Patt about it dating i think back to 2011 ) , in a nutshell CPU manufacturers threw faster clocks, more L2 cache and added whole cores to make use of the increase in number of transistors, but never made true advances in micro-architectures to empower software to be written in smarter ways.
Benchmarks are the typical example of poorly optimized software thrown blindly at hardware to measure in the end how “smart” the CPU is in guessing whatever the hell the programmer meant to do…
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Yep recycling the same thing. Actually just like your post Wiper, gotcha their. :uham:
Well we have known for a while now “Moore’s Law” no longer holds true, Actually its not a true “Law” but a observation of a engineering process.
And you know as well as most how hard its going to be to break away from the IBM compatible paradigm. I only just replaced my Nokia 2700 classic I purchased in 2009.
This tower I have now (i5 3570k march 2013) will need to last Me a few years yet, a GPU replacement and it will be almost “as good as new”.
The change will not come through the PCs fundamental architecture but through the way we compute.
World wide most gaming now takes place on a “mobile phone” ( yes, my observation) I see Coco playing simple online games and His opponents are for the most part in 3rd world countries or developing nations, there playing of their phones.
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Yeah as stated this is why I am hoping for the best for the new AMD CPU as regardless if you run Intel or AMD or are and Intel fanboi or an AMD fanboi every end user reaps the benefits of good old fashioned competition and Intel is LONG overdue to have some of that.
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Yep recycling the same thing. Actually just like your post Wiper, gotcha their. :uham:
Yeah i realized I posted it in the wrong thread
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With Ryzen now out, I’m keen to hear when anyone tries it with BMS… After reading a little about it, I doubt there will be much benefit to us BMS users - maybe lower cost in terms of $$$'s or TDP, but I cant see an FPS improvement based on the way BMS is built… The only benefit could be intel dropping prices in response to loss of some market share… MAYBE… I really don’t think Intel is quaking in their boots just yet…
Apparently AMD are releasing a developers Ryzen optimization kit to allow the games developers to take advantage of the new CPU, including extra cores. I know its unrealistic to think BMS could be optimized in this way though…
There is also a lot of hotly debated press out there… Personally I don’t understand the vitriol. More pissing contests perhaps…
Like Stubbies, I do hope for better competition though
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With Ryzen now out, I’m keen to hear when anyone tries it with BMS…
Indeed. I’m most interested in those who are running BMS multi player and extracting at the same time. With multiple things going on at the same time that would give a good look at the feasibility of Ryzen from a BMS only stand point.
After reading a little about it, I doubt there will be much benefit to us BMS users
That all depends on the way the Ryzen owner flies BMS. Single player mode and I agree with you. The i7-7700K will do better in that regime. Now the water gets muddier when it comes to multiplayer if you are running TS, IVC, MFDE or similar extractor, TrackIR or similar, TARGET, AIC, etc. all at the same time. That might give an edge to Ryzen on core counts alone. However the caveat to that is coming up later from you.
maybe lower cost in terms of $$$'s or TDP, but I cant see an FPS improvement based on the way BMS is built…
Well I don’t see Intel changing the current Kaby Lake offerings at the moment as the R7 line of Ryzen isn’t a direct comparison/competition to the 7600/7700. The R7 line is competition for the 6800/6900 series chips.
The only benefit could be intel dropping prices in response to loss of some market share… MAYBE… I really don’t think Intel is quaking in their boots just yet…
Intel’s answer to this will be interesting as the X99 setups are their most expensive boards and chips and this is a serious shot across the bow. They might not be quaking but the R5 hasn’t even come out yet for Kaby Lake comparisons and AMD is seriously undercutting the price to performance ratio on Intel’s expensive offerings. They have reason to be very concerned.
Apparently AMD are releasing a developers Ryzen optimization kit to allow the games developers to take advantage of the new CPU, including extra cores.
This is one area where AMD screwed the pooch on the Ryzen release. They should have had developers in the loop long before release so you wouldn’t hit the street with lower performance or compatibility issues. The whole mini debacle with the motherboard back plates for coolers on AM4 is a good example.
I know its unrealistic to think BMS could be optimized in this way though…
And there is the caveat. Until some one tests it out and posts about it there is no saying how well it will do on an older title like BMS.
There is also a lot of hotly debated press out there… Personally I don’t understand the vitriol. More pissing contests perhaps…
Like Stubbies, I do hope for better competition though
Meh fanbois on both sides.
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I see the
Intel Core i7 6850K Six Core LGA 2011-3 3.6GHz Unlocked CPU Processor @ $799au
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X 8-Core Socket AM4 3.6GHz CPU Processor @ $699au
Intel Core i7 6800K Six Core LGA 2011-3 3.4GHz Unlocked CPU Processor @ $595au
That’s about 2 days+ wages (before tax) for the average hard working tradie.
Looking forward to see the Ryzen 5 released, its a good time for a new build in the next year or so.
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Running the 8350 @ 4.7, my gaming on multiple gaming titles, has seen a major increase in FPS and 0 micro stuttering. But, gaming is a 2 pronged event. It is the CPU/GPU combination that will determine the performance outcome of any rig. Even for BMS, it comes down to CPU/GPU (and OS configurations) that will gain the most performance. Since Ryzen is a new platform with a new die and instruction set for it, it will take some time to utilize that for gaming. Also, since the Ryzen uses almost half the power required for there clocks from previous versions of AMD processors, the BE (rumored to be hand picked) that can OC with small voltage increases, could easily out clock the very best Intel has to offer. Time will tell if that is true. As for me, my rig can run anything, with everything turned up to max, with very high FPS rates. BMS sampled at 108 FPS over the FLOT and on air bases ATM. A very fast and stable set up compared to Intel stuff. AMD has always been better, IMO, at over clocking than Intel (again, just my opinion). AMD OC’s run cooler and more stable IMO. Again, my current rig could be clocked higher but with more voltage (heat) and possible stability issues (however, I could tweak the power out to make it very stable with even higher clocks, but I would need time to slowly adjust the clocks properly). Given time, the Ryzen could OC out to as high as 6Ghz (stable). Time will tell.
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Compare the original post video to the same linus tips reviewer for the Ryzen.
$500 US 8 core to get better single core performance plus putting more analytic logic on the chip for user customization and thermal/power tweaking.I don’t need 8 core myself, so would be in the market for some cost savings.
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Indeed. I’m most interested in those who are running BMS multi player and extracting at the same time. With multiple things going on at the same time that would give a good look at the feasibility of Ryzen from a BMS only stand point.
And there is the caveat. Until some one tests it out and posts about it there is no saying how well it will do on an older title like BMS.
You guys know of my setup… I’d be happy to test BMS with a Ryzen setup if someone sponsors it
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You guys know of my setup… I’d be happy to test BMS with a Ryzen setup if someone sponsors it
Pffft if I have to throw money at it I will be sponsoring myself!
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But you may not have the time for it…. your busy schedule and all!
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But you may not have the time for it…. your busy schedule and all!
Yeah being retired just eats up all my time.
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Lucky u…
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It’ll still eat up on your flying time… or your reading time… let the “young 'uns” take the hassle and pain away…