Livrot Mic Command - Preview Release
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Salut DeeJay,
do you mean PTT (press to talk)?
For all I know this is implemented since years.
Just connect a stick, click on the mic hotkey button and press the wanted stick button.To the general public:
Over the years, every three month a ‘Target’ user finds out, that it does not work with LMC, though.
Without target it works well. LMC can be used just as target to program the warthog, … and many other sticks, permitting even button- or key-shifted buttons and other weird thingsA new version of LMC is to be released within the next weeks, the manual became much better and lots of things have been improved.
Cheers,
Torvil -
I didn’t knew it (since I bought VAC a long time ago, I am using it … but it doesn’t have Dx function) … I know some ppl who will be happy!
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It is true that PTT in Livrot doesn’t work when Target is used, but I’ve found a way around this.
In Livrot Settings window, Hotkeys tab, I’ve selected the “Home” key for the microphone PTT. In BMS keyboard mapping, the “Home” key is used for the UHF button on the throttle.
But the UHF button can also be used with DX. It means that when I press the UHF button, I can talk on the UHF channel (thus, using DX) and, if I want to, simultaneously send vocal commands to LMC (using “Home”).
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OK,
the next version is almost ready. Yesterday I took it over to my laptop and …
I could not even record a single hotkey. Not even as ‘Windows-System’ Hotkey.
I could load a profile and configure one of those LL-hotkeys as ‘eating’ - knowing that it would get keyboard information from another direct source of the system.
This worked.
I will now need some days to fix this for Laptop Owners, as most likely any of you has no ‘Raw-Input’-keyboard information - as these laptop keyboards are entering the input stream as raw-input-‘HID-Devices’ it seems.
I hope you excuse my laziness on the subject, as all I did so far was loading a profile into LMC, converting all hotkeys to win-sys and finding them working well. I did not try to record a single hotkey on the laptop before, sadly.It is only a matter of days until the next release now, expect it to work better on laptops - along with many new features.
Cheers,
Torvil -
Hi everybody.
I´m new here around. I just want to ask for a real real quick intro. I just want to use this software for transmitting commands to Tanker/Awacs/Flight…… I tried implementing this software to my BMS 4.33U3 according to #16 on page 2. just installing and editing Basic or Windblow profile. I tried talking to the software, but mostly it doesn´t understand. Only some short commands like “Two brake left” are recognized around 30-40%, “tanker request fuel” is accomplished with lot of luck after 10 tries at maybe 25% rec… My mike works fine and I´m a trained English speaker (from Germany), even my US- flight instructors always said I´m doing fine on the radio. Voice control in my Mercedes or even in real fighters like the Typhoon do understand my English from the very beginning even without voice training. So what´s wrong with the software setup and profiles out of the box? Must i really train my Windows10 (I already switched my desktop from German to US English setup) or is it a problem in the language settings, which I can´t change in the trial version (it´s blued out)? Some commands are correctly recognized in the sim, but there are wrong outputs, f.e. in Basic profile calling any tanker-menue commands results in changing cockpit-views, but calling my wingman works fine. Running the Windblow profile makes different errors, this time wingmen commands go wrong. It doesn´t matter if I load BMS full key or anythinge else. Is there any profile out of the box which matches without faults BMS full key? As I said, I just need the radio stuff for the moment, implementing radar work and other features like in the Typhoon or even real Viper can wait…
Thanks for help
Foxmike -
Hi.
It´s me again. I managed the problems myself. I had to load English speech packages to my Windows 10 and trained the Windows itself with my voice for maybe 20 minutes, now LMC understands nearly everything I say with over 90% confidence. I thought, the software is ready for use even untrained, well, that´s a matter of Windows I know now. The second problem with the Tanker menue was more complicated, I compared the working Windblow profile with the non working Basic profile in the LMC editor. Only one entry was different, key 59 was followed by 0x15 and this works, while the 2c entry in Basic profile would always make Z keybord events instead of Y in German and international keyboard also. The crazy thing about that was seeing a Y output in a event tester window and while running BMS I still saw always that Y in the event window but always a Z toggle in BMS. I really don´t know what these numbers 0x15 and 2c do, but now eyerything works great and I´m ready to paypal for the license. Now everythings works great together with a Helios setup and TM Warthog/ruder set (without Target, just configured in BMS according to the F-16 Bl.50/52 manuals, who really needs Target??). Headtracking is on the way and I hope to get this working as fast as this voice part.
So as quick start procedure for dummies and/or non English Windows users I wold suggest:
1 Switch one Windows profile completely to English and install all language packages, even for speech
2 Install your mike, set it up and begin the Windows speech recognition training for at least one or two sessions (takes maybe 10-15 minutes in actual Win10)
3 Install LMC and one of the BMS profiles like described in answer "16, using Basic profile may result in Tanker menue problems and the editor must be used to correct this.
4 Buy license and enjoyOnly one point in the moment, which would make it more realistic: Is there the possibility to mute my spoken radio commands in the sim? So I talk in the mike and first I hear my commands spoken by the sim pilot followed by the answer; it would be better hearing only the answer, as long as my recognition works as perfect as in the moment.
Best regards
Foxmike -
Hello and thanks Foxmike.
I am in the middle of publishing the new version, so I could not check here on a daily basis, sorry. Luckily you sorted things out, already.
The upcoming version permits to switch to telephone server based Microsoft speech recognition supporting 26 languages. (needs no training - works pretty good, too)
I also took the pain of rewriting the complete English manual while editing the german manual for LMC.
The last days were spent on working around the Laptop Low-Level-Hotkey problem in LMC. - Just fixed this today.
I still need to adjust the manuals to this improvement, bundle it all up with the new installer and check the new license system before it can be published.Many thanks for taking the time and fiddling around with LMC, this kind of feedback motivates!
Regards, Torvil
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PayPal is down at the moment for livrot.com.
I do not know why, and I do not care much, as there are about two buyers per month.
The new LL hotkey system is offering to also send out eaten events that were eaten by accident without finally triggering an eater hotkey.
This is a big improvement, as the first event of an eater hotkey is no longer a lost key or button. When the second event does not fit, it is eaten too, the ‘by accident’ eaten first event is send out artificially followed by the unawaited ‘disturber’ event.
This way no eating ever happened. Except for the first event which is not distributed until the second event fails. Much better than ever before.
Developing and explaining these new features took more time than expected, but I do expect the new version to be released before april … still writing the manuals and testing the new stuff …Regards, Torvil
PS: Do not hesitate to write an email to [email protected] for a free full version. Mention your registered user name. Advertise if you like
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Googling for livrot.com gives a ‘Server Error’ without any mention that it’s due to the google webcrawler - at least I think it is, now. Or is it just me?
Using Bing or Yahoo search opens livrot.com without any problem.?
Does anyone have an idea about it?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
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Hi Torvil,
I normally use DuckDuckGo as a serch engine and i have just tried to access livrot.com, OK
I changed to Google and tried twice to access livrot.com, both times were OK, so it looks like the problem is fixed.Hope this was of some help
Regards
David
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Thanks, Toaster!
I do not understand, why the heck I personally get this (still, fresh screenshot) when googling for livrot.com.
Tried Ctrl - F5 and all, no luck. Guess I’ll contact google. Like talking from the very bottom to the very top … -
Hi again Torvil,
My best guess, and it is a guess, is a corrupt google search engine. Can you delete it from your browser and then download it again, this may help, but as I say it is only a guess.
Regards
David
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Wow, thanks, Toaster!
A simple change from ‘google.de’ to google.com’ did the trick, if it wasn’t fixed in the mean time by something else, of course.
Many thanks, this really relaxes
Regards,
Torvil -
Please do all prepare for a major change in the LMC Hotkey System.
As LMC is a macro tool, designed to be available anywhere on the desktop and games,
the new standard hotkey mode will be ‘Low Level Eater’, there are others, including a custom mode, btw.The facts/ rules to the new standard more are very simple.
1. Any keypress/button press to be held, combined with a second key-/botton press enters the LL eater hotkey - and is sufficient. Keys should be well separated on the keyboard layout to avoid triggering ‘by accident’ or ‘fast typing’. Like {Numpad 3} pressed + ‘A’ pressed.
2. key releases are ignored on recording and triggering (except for the starting key- releasing it without additional key press restores the eaten key press + release - this prevents the old ‘lost key’ for the entry event of eater hotkeys)
3. the entry key/button is no longer a ‘lost’ key. simply because normal press and release, sends out the key + release event, also holding {Numpad 3} + pressing {Numpad 5} additionally (or anything but ‘A’) restores the two eaten keypresses.
4. key repeat can even be enabled for the entry key (you should do so, only if you tend to press and hold + press the second key faster than the system key repeat setting)
5. as the events of the hotkey are eaten, they can never disturb in any other application
6. the same start event can be used for multiple (thousands - if event-chains are long enough) eater hotkeys
7. they finally work on Windows 8 - at least on my laptop
8. the only loss is that the starting key is repaired on release - a tad slower than normal.Many other modes and a lot of flexibility for special circumstances have been preserved and expanded - I just have to rewrite the ‘Hotkey-Options’ in both languages supported by the manual and check through the exercises myself, squash existing bugs and deliver.
3-4 weeks as alwaysRegards,
Torvil -
Hello everyone!
26 languages can now additionally be used for speech recognition by switching to the Microsoft Speech Platform 11 in LMC.
The complete manual was rewritten and also translated to German.Check the last page of the manual for all the news.
To check temporary license usage enter ‘asdf’ for both user and password.
For a full license request pm your Livrot.com account user name to me.Regards,
Torvil -
Yesterdays release had a failure in the LMC hotkey system. Fixed.
Enjoy,
Torvil -
website is up again - log in issues ‘hopefully’ removed
Regards,
Torvil
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All registered LMC users have been upgraded to ‘owner’ state.
I will repeat this every Sunday/Monday for some weeks.So simply register on livrot.com to use LMC.
Until being upgraded, use temporary licenses.cheers,
Torvil -
I AM HAVING A difficult time getting this to work with Falcon BMS. It works in notepad but as soon as I start falcon (command does not go trough…no effect), it a no go. I’m looking for a single key from a keyboard source to open the mike as I speak the command and close when I release. If anyone can share a sample of what the hotkey setup should loo like, it would be appreciated!
Thanks
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You are using the latest version (1.170408 ) of LMC, right?
Try running BMS in windowed mode.
Or right click on the mic hotkey button in LMC and select ‘device bound’.
Or try recording the third mouse button as the mic hotkey. Eventually set this hotkey to ‘device bound’ if needed.
Or try connecting a gamepad/joystick and use one of its buttons for the mic.Hope any of these helps,
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