HUD color
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Yes, but I didn’t understand what that callback command meant, or what a callback command is. Where is it put or done?
Being from Colorado wouldn’t I be using the US keyboard?
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I figured it out. Why didn’t you just say Alt H?
Because it may never be ALT+H again. To give any other answer than the above would be making many assumptions which could be wrong more than it could be right. There are 4 .key files by default, 5 if you include the blank one, 6 if you include Dunc’s .key file. I don’t want to guess how many other .key files are there dependent on controller/HOTAS setups that are available on the relevant controller sub-forums. And all of this is before people start modifying the .key file to move mappings around based on key combination preferences.
So HUD color control may be ALT+H for the Basic/Full/Minimum .key files, but it is unmapped in the Pitbuilder.key file. For my profile, it’s ALT+S, for others it may be H, or CTRL+H, or SHIFT+ALT+T… who knows? Regardless of actual key map, HUD color control will always, always, always be the OTWStepHudColor callback, and that’s why it’s best to point people to the proper callback instead.
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Sorry, but i’ve never heard the word callback before in sims. I still don’t know what it means. If I set a stick button to HUD color. Is that my callback?
I was just looking for a simple way to look at other colors to see if I was going to stay with BMS. It’s no good if I can’t read the HUD.
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Yes, but I didn’t understand what that callback command meant, or what a callback command is. Where is it put or done?
Simply put, a callback is the command, like “gear up” or “gear down”…. the actual callbacks for those are AFGearUp and AFGearDown. This is what is called a switch-state callback, ie, up or down. There is also called a toggle callback, like “gear”… the actual callback is AFGearToggle. So what’s the difference? Say if you mapped AFGearToggle to “G” key… you take off, press “G”, gear comes up. Doing 400 knots, you accidentally press “G” again. Whoops! Gear comes down and you break your landing gear. If you mapped AFGearUp to “G” (and clearing the AFGearToggle key map) and AFGearDown to “ALT+G”… you take off, press “G”, gear comes up. Doing 400 knots, you accidentally press “G” again… and nothing happens. The gear lever is on the UP position anyway and you just issued a command to “gear up” so… meh. Nothing happens. You will need to press “ALT+G” to lower your gear.
So you have your callbacks and you have your actual key mappings. As I said before, key mappings can (and will!) change depending on the profile you’re using or your preference, but callbacks won’t.
Hope that helps!
ps. you can learn more with the BMS Key File Manual.pdf in your \Docs\Key Files & Input folder.
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I just tried the colors in different weather conditions. Even changing colors I can barely see the HUD sometimes. Part of my problem is I lost the sight completely in one eye. This seems to have put more strain on the eye I can see from and it tires out quickly. Straining to see the HUD tires it out pretty quick and then I can’t see it in even good light.
I really wanted this to work, because I love the F-16. However, it’s no fun if I can’t see. It’s best I stay with DCS. I don’t have a vision problem with it. Sorry guys.
Cya
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Sorry to hear about your condition, Pete. Enjoy DCS!
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I don’t know… somehow, I feel like this was the best troll I’ve ever seen on this forum!
:nosep:
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True, you don’t know. I’m not a troll and everything I said is true.
I was curious what would be said. Ok, i’ll be over at DCS.
Take care
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Well, this was what he said 4 days ago….
@BuzzU:Lately, i’ve gotten the urge for a good combat sim. <snip!>Unfortunetly, the A-10C wasn’t exactly what I was looking for. It was complicated enough and would have taken forever to get any good at flying it in combat. The problem is it didn’t scratch the itch I had for A/A fights. Also, DCS doesn’t have a good single player campaign. The graphics were great though, but i’m not sure that’s enough after awhile.
I realized the F-16 is the plane I was after. A plane that was good at A/A and A/G. Plus, a dynamic campaign.</snip!>
So I don’t think DCS will be a very good fit for him…. after all, he’s already tried it and has been a DCS forum member since 2004 so it’s not a “test it out for two weeks” thing so he’s had a good go at DCS but still found it wanting. Pete, if you’re still here, I wonder if adjusting your FOV will help? That’ll increase the size of the HUD on your screen and hopefully you’ll be able to read it better. Or new glasses… unfortunately, I’ve not poked my head in DCS for a good 3-4 years now so can’t really tell about the difference between DCS A10C HUD and BMS HUD and what makes one different from the other.
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just my 2 cents on this.
This HUD ‘issue’ is there, just as IRL. True, in sim conditions this might be non-preferable (because we also like to spend our times on the ‘stuff’ the best / fun way we can).
If you don’t fear to mess with realism, then you could of course alter the dds file(s) for the HUD and chose a color for your HUD glass on this the green of the symbology reflexes best. Dark and reddish work best the, because of color blending effects between the dds file color and the (chosen) color of the symbology itself.
As ever - high regards,
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I find it hard to stay away from this forum. I guess the reason is I really wanted to make it work. I know it would be a huge struggle for me to learn the F-16 but I still want to do it. I also don’t want to mess with reality of the sim. It’s what attracts me the most. However, I have to be able to read the HUD to fly the plane.
Let’s face it. There are no 74 year old guys joining the Air Force to fly the F-16. So, there’s one reality that will never happen. I would imagine it would take perfect vision to qualify as a fighter pilot. I would even guess that most of the pilots have better than average vision. So, it seems a little silly to not make a compromise in this department for those with poor vision.
Ice……I wasn’t going to fly the A-10C in DCS. I was going to wait for the F/A-18 to fly. Probably fly the F-15 while I waited for the Hornet. Maybe study the weapons on the A-10C to get familiar with them for when the F/A-18 shows up. At least that was the plan.
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BuzzU,
I also have a real hard time seeing the HUD at times due to being color blind. One thing that may help is set the flight time to late afternoon or dusk. -
…. Let’s face it. There are no 74 year old guys joining the Air Force to fly the F-16. So, there’s one reality that will never happen. I would imagine it would take perfect vision to qualify as a fighter pilot. I would even guess that most of the pilots have better than average vision. So, it seems a little silly to not make a compromise in this department for those with poor vision. …
Buzz, there are some who think the HUD color adjustment option should be removed from BMS. I have made your argument pretty strongly for exactly the same reasons …… the air forces of the world are able to enforce a vision standard as a requirement to fly, but not so in BMS and an allowance for less than perfect vision (for some of us MUCH less than perfect vision) is a good thing. My experience is:
- Besides the ‘correct’ Green, White or Yellow work best;
- Adjust your gamma, brightness and contrast. Your video card may allow color adjustments beyond the monitor buttons themselves;
- The HUD glass color makes a difference. Check what FanOfBMS and others have done with this variable.
I believe you can find a set of adjustments/parameters that will be workable for you, but it might take some work/experimenting on your part.
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Nigel……Is that always an option? Even for the campaigns?
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Buzz, there are some who think the HUD color adjustment option should be removed from BMS. I have made your argument pretty strongly for exactly the same reasons …… the air forces of the world are able to enforce a vision standard as a requirement to fly, but not so in BMS and an allowance for less than perfect vision (for some of us MUCH less than perfect vision) is a good thing. My experience is:
- Besides the ‘correct’ Green, White or Yellow work best;
- Adjust your gamma, brightness and contrast. Your video card may allow color adjustments beyond the monitor buttons themselves;
- The HUD glass color makes a difference. Check what FanOfBMS and others have done with this variable.
I believe you can find a set of adjustments/parameters that will be workable for you, but it might take some work/experimenting on your part.
I had deleted everything, but just downloaded it again. So, I guess I haven’t given up yet. It’s not my style to quit on anything and I was surprised I did for BMS. I guess I felt there was no answer to my problem. I’ll figure it out.
Damn! I hate getting old. I try to ignore it, but it’s so persistent.
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All it takes is a config entry to allow those who needs it, a high-contrast HUD.
Of course as always alot of people will be personally offended by someone far away, that they don’t know, flying this sim at not life like conditions. -
Some people get offended easily. It doesn’t bother me and it shouldn’t bother them until they spend time in my boots.
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Ok, it’s all installed again. Back to reading.
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Pete…. possibly weird suggestion but have you had your eyes checked recently? Might need glasses or new ones
Second suggestion — how big is your TV screen? Some people have 50inch 4K monitors… I doubt you’ll have trouble reading the HUD in that situation -
My eye doctor has gotten rich on me after 5 operations. Glasses won’t help me.
A bigger monitor is going to help. I’ll struggle along until I can afford one. No problem. I won’t mention it again. I have too much studying to do meanwhile.