Warthog Joystick vs Real F16 Joystick
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hi ;
guys i ve been flying with X65 f for 3 years and i tell you that it is perfect -
hi ;
guys i ve been flying with X65 f for 3 years and i tell you that it is perfectApart from the increased tendency for pickling off live weapons while trying to trim/pan POV.
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Awesome.
Guess I will have to buy it then, ha
If you are willing to spend the € , dont hesitate m8!
I used the X65f force-sensing for 2 years before the Fssb R3 and the difference is noticable. I cant think of using a movable stick again, even for Ww2 stuff.
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For you guys (Raptor in particular) that say you’ve put a FCC2 or FFC3 into a Warthog, are you saying…
a. You put the FCC mod into the Warthog base, if so please provide pictures. The FCC wouldn’t fit into a WH base afaik.
b. You put the Warthog stick onto a Cougar base with a FCC, if so I’m doing this with the FCC3 and FSSB-R1 -
The B.
You can take the Warthog or Cougar stick gribs, and connect them to FCC, then put the FCC to either Cougar stick base or to a real or replica SCC.
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Apart from the increased tendency for pickling off live weapons while trying to trim/pan POV.
That would be precisely why I never gave serious consideration to the x65f. IMHO that is a stupid place to put a pickle switch for that very reason. Weapons coming off of a combat aircraft should never be by accident due to a bad design.
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I’m using X 65F and love it, wondering if anyone has tried to remove the large base to mount in a pit??
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So now there are two force mods for the Warthog:
1. Realsimulators FSSB-R3
2. Vipercores Warthog FCC -
Hmmm prices?
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Hmmm prices?
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Are on each respective webstore…but in general, they each cost about as much as buying a second stick. Which I’m willing to do…on both counts (an FCC WH and a second WH stick). I prefer the FCC WH because I want to mount it to an SSC base - the RS one is the size of the WH base itself.
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Are on each respective webstore…but in general, they each cost about as much as buying a second stick. Which I’m willing to do…on both counts (an FCC WH and a second WH stick). I prefer the FCC WH because I want to mount it to an SSC base - the RS one is the size of the WH base itself.
Been debating getting a FSSB R3 but since I wouldn’t want to be set to force sensing for all of my sims I’d want to have a spare WH SSC to attach it to for F-16 or other best for force sensing control and still have a regular stick for say rotary wing or prop job sim work. Since the SSC by itself isn’t that far off from just buying the entire WH setup again I’d probably do that which means roughly 1k invested on my part just to go from a standard WH to having the choice of standard or force sensing. That plus some people having issues with the force sensing WH SSC physically breaking since it wasn’t designed with taking those forces has kept me from pulling that trigger.
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….That plus some people having issues with the force sensing WH SSC physically breaking since it wasn’t designed with taking those forces has kept me from pulling that trigger.
What?!?! Can you explain this to me, how? Maybe i read this wrong.
I mean like a force fbw stick is designed for like what, 24 pounds of pressure max? How are these being broken? Imho, anyone manhandling a force mod shouldn’t use one and stick to a kinetic/positional stick. FBW force sticks are for precision brain surgery, not professional wrestlers, UFC and cowboys.
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Thought this thread was a comparison of the Warthog and Cougar with their real counterparts
Real Warthog
TM Warthog
Real Viper
TM Cougar
And people wonder why im such a TM fanboi…
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What?!?! Can you explain this to me, how? Maybe i read this wrong.
I mean like a force fbw stick is designed for like what, 24 pounds of pressure max? How are these being broken? Imho, anyone manhandling a force mod shouldn’t use one and stick to a kinetic/positional stick. FBW force sticks are for precision brain surgery, not professional wrestlers, UFC and cowboys.
Welp I did a search and was only able to locate a post on BMS where someone dropped an iPad on theirs and broke the tail piece requiring replacement. Thought there was one specifically about the FSSB modded WH but haven’t been able to find it.
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Been debating getting a FSSB R3 but since I wouldn’t want to be set to force sensing for all of my sims I’d want to have a spare WH SSC to attach it to for F-16 or other best for force sensing control and still have a regular stick for say rotary wing or prop job sim work. Since the SSC by itself isn’t that far off from just buying the entire WH setup again I’d probably do that which means roughly 1k invested on my part just to go from a standard WH to having the choice of standard or force sensing. That plus some people having issues with the force sensing WH SSC physically breaking since it wasn’t designed with taking those forces has kept me from pulling that trigger.
If you’re not going to mount to an SSC base, I’d go with the FSSB R3 - since it replaces the WH gimbal unit all you’d need is a second WH base plate, and then you could simply swap the grip between gimbaled and force sensing bases.
As far as the WH SSC breaking - you do have to re-calibrate your flying. It’s different, and I can say I really like the difference - I have the FCC3 on a Cougar (which isn’t really stable unless you secure it down somehow; the WH has a much better base) and figured I’d over-control it initially, but I didn’t. But what you say is one of the reasons I mention not having ruled out buying a Ribbstick for my pit…seems like it could be more “indestructible”.
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Welp I did a search and was only able to locate a post on BMS where someone dropped an iPad on theirs and broke the tail piece requiring replacement. Thought there was one specifically about the FSSB modded WH but haven’t been able to find it.
The only post of one of Arend’s mods breaking I’ve ever seen was a picture from a sim event where one somehow got ripped off of an FCC base…and that might have been a joke.
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If you’re not going to mount to an SSC base, I’d go with the FSSB R3 - since it replaces the WH gimbal unit all you’d need is a second WH base plate, and then you could simply swap the grip between gimbaled and force sensing bases.
Well the problem there is that (from what I saw on the FSSB installation video) if you want to use TARGET you have to remove a board from the original SSC base to use in the FSSB. This either had you cutting or desoldering wires to make the move hence not as easy as just swapping bases. That is why I was going to go the spare WH/FSSB route. If you just do the swap and do not move the board over it will work as a standard USB controller but will not work with TARGET and I am a TARGET guy.
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Well the problem there is that (from what I saw on the FSSB installation video) if you want to use TARGET you have to remove a board from the original SSC base to use in the FSSB. This either had you cutting or desoldering wires to make the move hence not as easy as just swapping bases. That is why I was going to go the spare WH/FSSB route. If you just do the swap and do not move the board over it will work as a standard USB controller but will not work with TARGET and I am a TARGET guy.
MMV, but I’ve found TARGET to be more of a headache than a boon. Most of what you need the stick to do can be done directly using DX, and I’ve chosen to go that route. Again, MMV…depending on which sim you plan to use each stick with. I’m strictly a BMS/FAF flyer.
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MMV, but I’ve found TARGET to be more of a headache than a boon. Most of what you need the stick to do can be done directly using DX, and I’ve chosen to go that route. Again, MMV…depending on which sim you plan to use each stick with. I’m strictly a BMS/FAF flyer.
I am mostly a BMS flier and have used TARGET for multiple years now mostly without incident. Most of the incident I’ve ever had with it were with the decision to start fresh with the default key file when 4.33 dropped versus trying to bring the 4.32 key file forward. So those issues weren’t a TARGET failing but a learning curve for yours truly. The key statement you made is MOST of what you need can be done in Direct X. Not everything thanks to DX limitations and what TARGET can do in programming.
I am not here to bag on anyone chosing DX over key and TARGET setups. To each his or her own. Just stating that if I go the force sensing route it must fit MY needs and mine are with TARGET hence board moving and not something as easy as four screws and a few connectors. For those who like DX that path is simplified by it and good for them.
Other than this force sensing bit the only true down side I know of that exists for using TARGET over DX is not being able to do multiple inputs at the exact same time. However since I have flown well over 1k hours in BMS spanning 7+ years now this problem has never cropped up for me even once so I don’t care about that. Prior to the days of the sorting file DX was a distinct disadvantage for me since Windows had this annoying habit of swapping around the DX device order which threw everything off on the short time frame where I attempted DX in BMS. After that I went TARGET which completely solved the sorting issue and now it is my preferred method simply because of DX limitations and TARGET programming abilities.
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I get key collisions all the time, even without TARGET. The most notable one is when I’m trying to close the speed brakes and also use the toe brakes at the same time while rolling out down the runway…the hook can start cycling up/down like mad. I’ve learned to simply not move the speed brake knob with my feet on the brakes, but still…it’s an issue I need to solve when I get to wiring/configuring my cockpit, and I’m sure I’ll find others.
On my Mac I can cure this sort of thing using a utility called ControllerMate and setting watchdog timers…may find I’ll need to do something similar in my pit, but probably in hardware. Time will tell.