Nordic Skins
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I should perhaps start another thread for wpns loadouts . . . it is always nice to have input. I have the same internet resources everyone has. CCC and I regularly are trying to decide what to put on these a/c if we lack really good input.
The Wiki indicates:
Armament: 6 hardpoints, AAMs, ASMs, gun pods, bombs, rocketsX-Encyclopedia:
6 hardpoints allowing up to 700kg (1,543 lb) of payload: 2 x Saab Rb05 ASM missiles
2 x AIM-9 Sidewinder/Rb24 AAM missiles
Pods for 30 mm or 12,7 mm cannons
12 X 135mm, 127mm or 75mm rockets
250kg (550lb) bombs, cluster bombs and rocket launcher pads.Obviously, the more stuff we put on the SK60 the more fun you can have. The a/c is not a heavy lifter so whatever we put on is going to be limited. I dont’ remember if we have a gun pod for it or not. Ideally, we want to be realistic - the other is Falcon is for fun - sometimes we can choose to “enhance” realism so it makes it more fun to play. Lastly, on some things we are limited by the game itself on how even or relative we can make these a/c in the game.
Part of the problem for this a/c is it is kind of old - which is perfect for our CWC campaigns - we wanted something older to fit in along with the Lansen and Draken - but current usage I think the a/c is now really being used as a trainer and for the aerobatic team. Not sure of the status of the SK60C - the one with optics in the extended nose . . . guessing for target acquisition so differents weapons. Hopefully, we can find a nice balance for folks to find something to enjoy.
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I ran across this picture of a “winter” scheme for the SK60 . . . anyone know if this is real or fiction?
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looks like a real one.
http://www.internetmodeler.com/awn/97-october/camo_markings.htm
This next one is a Saab Sk60C from Sweden. While there is no Academy kit of this (wouldn’t that be a treat?), there are a couple of 1/72 scale beasts that could be tamed to provide this interesting scheme. As with the Hunter, the gray portion was painted over with a white distemper, leaving the dark green and blue gray undersurfaces. This Sk60 had an earlier style of “FARA” warning triangle on the air intakes. Later ones have a green triangle outlined in yellow with FARA in yellow. No time frame on this one either, but my best guess is mid to late seventies.
Based on photo in Flygplansritningar 3 by Bj顤n Karlstr闣, pp 98, Alt Om Hobby. -
Okay, this sounds like a pretty easy mod of the existing skin - just swapping the darker blue/green upper surface for a whitewashing . . . and adding a different air intake stencil. Is it better to just include the winter scheme as a second skin or maybe just put in a link for downloading and user to decide whether to use it or not? I haven’t given a lot of thought to winterizing Nordic skins . . . putting them in with a regular model could wind up generating winter skins during non-winter time periods which will look out of place . . . but the same is true for a winter scenario. F4Patch is a great way to build in a winter option - - ie swap out the vehicle summer skins for winter skins and then swap out selected aircraft that we can find legitimate winter specific skins. I have come across a few and if others have some references for Nordic models - please post or PM me . . . if I can come up with enough material I might be able to put together something really interesting for a winter specific sceneario. It might be fun to see just how wintery we can get.
Harrier
http://www.hasegawausa.com/product-images/hsgs2239main-lg.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/DN-ST-83-05846.JPEG
Jaguar
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9b/f6/4b/9bf64b6dbe8997eeffcba533715da918–jaguar-les.jpg
A-10
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Showtime !
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I found this on a forum site posted which helps explain the hi-vis markings we see on peacetime-training period Swedish paint schemes:
“Friend or foe markings took several forms. During a large exercise in 1968 they got checker patterns of red or yellow dayglo tape. Later on, the most common one was geometric shapes like triangles, and rectangles on top of the wings, painted in white winter camouflage colour.”
I want to do a bit more research but I think I am coming to a consensus that the hi-vis checkers and large numbers are not meant for wartime/tactical identification and so I am going to ensure that our the stock skin sets for our aircraft are set up for wartime. I plan to include some “optional” skin sets in the extras folder for hi-vis and winter. Players can access that folder and copy those skins and overwrite their skins in the terrdata\objects\KoreaOBJ folder until we figure out a way for patching skin sets for season specific campaigns.
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Some additional research on snow skins:
A-10:
BAC Lightning (notional):
RAF Harrier:
RAF Jaguar:
Su-57:
F-35A Swedish (notional):
FGR-2 (notional):
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@Ranger:
and on my little own, I’ll second your speech - it sounds logical, to say the least.
Nice skins those, BTW.With best regards,
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I have started on the J-35 Draken . . . may post up WIP later tonight if I am not busy with other things.
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ccc sent me fixed LODs for texmapping of B-52D/G/H for left and right side of tail. So, now a/c can have proper skin. I just finished redoing tail skins and matching fuselage skins - somebody else can do better skin later - right now it has simple skin+. I also set bomb door animations to proper angle.
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Work on Draken has begun - WIP tonight
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Still playing around with some things - but rivets are next.
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For those who have begun to download Nordic V2.0. If you look in the DOCs subfolder you will find a folder with alternative skins . . . specifically, there is a pair of summer and winter skins for the Saab SK60B and SK60C, hi and lo visibility skins for the Saab Lansen A and B. My intent is to provide some alternative skin choices for users. Just copy the set you want and then overwrite the Nordic\Terradata\Objects\KoreaOBJ subfolder. If you want to change back use the other skin folder. In the future, I plan to issue new skins for various aircraft listed at the start of this thread.
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So the ‘good’ became ‘better’… so nice touch, Tony.
Bravo!
With best regards,
Gianni.
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I am closing in on completion of a skin set for the J-35 IRST Sweden. If you have enjoyed the Lansen and SK60 skins, I think you will like the Draken skin as well. I am spending a little more time on this one for several reasons. I continue to enjoy the challenge of these low-poly models which tend to surprise me when I compare the initial “simple skins” we assigned as placeholders versus the hi-resolution skins. I have deliberately held off from adopting a texture size larger than 2048x2048. I think more detail could be added but truthfully, the lack of polygons/triangles tends to be the bigger limiting factor for these models as you can only paint a certain amount of visual illusion into these models. If you don’t look too close the aircraft look nice. But, if a user is going to routinely inspect the aircraft in orbit view and count rivets that isn’t how I am painting these skins - they are meant to be seen at the closest by your wingman at typically safe distance in flight - in those instances the skins should be agreeable to all users. If not, I invite users to offer a substitute.
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Here is the Swedish Draken: after test flying - I want to add a few more rivets and then I think it will be done and move on to the Finnish skin. I forgot to mention that I will be posting up the all grey scheme for Sweden next (after the rivet frenzy is finished). The intent for V3 is to replace the current model with one with at least two skin choices.
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“Lazy”, did you say Tony?
Figure when you’re pretty busy, then…
Well done once more!
With best regards,
Gianni.