Waypoint and Fuel Issue
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I have witnessed in exceptional cases that fuel at spawn was incorrect
Bug difficult to reproduce and therefore to fix
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@Red:
need more info
wouldn’t change a thing. DTC or not your INS flight plan is loaded. So what did you mean by that?
where was he? distance from homeplate? which frequency was he on?
What was your INS homeplate? Mandumi or Kimpo? what steerpoint was manumi on your INS flightplan?what’s steerpoint number was he on? IOW what does the DED says regarding active steerpoint?
there is no steerpoint 0. Homeplate is 1 (departure)
contacting atc doesn’t change steerpoints. If CZ wasn’t performed you still have offset issues, easily checked with the highlighted CZ mnemonic in Mfds
hotas issue might also be the case as suggested earlier
INS issue would be a likely cause as well? but you’d have more symptomsdon’t use it. Or even better, don’t declare it in your keyfile
Maybe you can try a technique that burns less fuel and yield less possibility of fuel problems. Staying that long in AB can cause issues… beside burning a lot of fuel obviously.
Here’s what most of us do:
Take off, accelerate to 350 kts with burner.
then go buster, execute a buster climb to briefed altitude by adapting climb angle to maintain 350 kts
Works great, saves fuel and moreDTC:
This we didn’t set so the airbase was set to our previous mission at Mandumi. By not setting the DTC and saving preset 15 as home plate, it was set to Mandumi but we took off from Kimpo.
He was on the runway at Kimpo which was our home plate. This was set to stpt 7. As for FREQ can’t say, whatever it defaults to.
Mandumi wasn’t a stpt at all. We took off from Kimpo, flew north to hit targets (this was a quick TE I made btw) then made our way back to stpt 7 home plate.
Prior to landing, maybe 10-20 miles out he called atc for landing but Mandumi replied as that’s what our DTC had us set to.
He noticed his steerpoint was 27 miles away when he was practically on the runway so he didn’t stop and took off then he noticed almost immediately the steerpoint was at 0 miles once again and was where it should be.
so quick recap
We headed to home plate steer 7
stpt was on Kimpo airbase
He called ATC to land but the flight was set to mandumi tower
Mandumi replied to him - note that I didn’t call
As he landed he noticed steer 7 was 27 miles away
as he took off it reset to 0 milesAs for the fuel, bingo came on 30 seconds after we took off. You can’t burn that much fuel on burner but also, we were formed up pretty much and mirroring each others throttle setting. I was lead and was on burner the same time so if he was using too much fuel, I would have been also at bingo since we were 500m from each other. Out of 40 flights we never saw this until yesterday but we’ll keep an eye on it and do further testing
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Whatever you DTC or channel, this doesn’t matter. What matter is frequencies. So … you need to confirm what was the frequencies.
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Well it’s simple
Mandumi is about 27 Nm from Kimpo
So it’s pretty normal you have your INS steerpoint 27 Nm from where you landed
At least from what I understand from your explanationIf preset is from a previous flight and you contact another tower frequency without you knowing, then that tower will respond.
Don’t expect the right tower to talk to you if you’re not on the right frequency
Presets are shortcuts but you have to set them right
If you don’t you screw it up.
To avoid it, use the frequencies
the interactive map has all the relevant freqs
http://www.ravico.com/ST/BMS_KOREA_interactive/index.html -
The freq was Mandumi as Mandumi was the airbase that called back.
I’ve just tested this and can replicate this bug. This is what I did.
- Fly a (TE) mission from Mandumi, set dtc and save for comms set to Mandumi.
- Fly a (TE) mission from Kimpo, do not touch DTC
- Fly to the friendly Radar base west of Mandumi (radar site 4)
- select home plate (this was steer 7 for me)
- At 10 miles, T-2
- Watch your HUD and the distance is now increasing for the steerpoint (as it’s now set to Mandumi).
- Steerpoint cue (diamond) is still over Kimpo
- Land at Kimpo, keep rolling, take off and watch the distance reset to 0 miles in the HUD.
Is this a bug or when you contact a tower it automatically changes to show the distance to that airfield?
hanks again to everyone for help
Jex
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I found out what we might be doing wrong with the waypoints moving off but I have no clue how I managed it. We were practicing our Mavericks and then somehow when I slewed my camera, the waypoint diamond in the HUD was now moving. I’m pretty sure you can move waypoints through the HUD I just don’t know what I pressed to enable it.
Any ideas?
thanks!
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Yes,
post #2 in this discussion provided the answer
Diamond could be a Cursor Zero issue (most likely) or a SPI issue.
suggest reading manuals about Cursor zero need and the habit of doing TMS down, Cursor zero
Is this a bug or when you contact a tower it automatically changes to show the distance to that airfield?
No and No
it’s no bug, it’s normal behaviour and happens because you do not understand the SPI management and NO contacting tower does not automatically move waypoint to that airfield -
@Red:
Yes,
post #2 in this discussion provided the answer
suggest reading manuals about Cursor zero need and the habit of doing TMS down, Cursor zero
No and No
it’s no bug, it’s notrmal behavious because you do not understand the SPI management and NO contacting tower does not automatically move waypoint to that airfieldIt’s normal behaviour to show the mileage to the tower you just called, no matter what tower it is, in the HUD instead of the mileage to the actual waypoint selected and then if you touch and go, to reset that mileage back to the waypoint you are actually set to?
What would be the point of that?
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It’s normal behaviour because it’s a SPI issue and you do not understand the SPI management.
Hence why i suggested you read the relevant chapter in the documentationContacting the tower does not change your steerpoint to that Airport. Repeat does not change !
your diamond is not where you think it should be because you didn’t cursor zero
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@Red:
It’s normal behaviour because it’s a SPI issue and you do not understand the SPI management.
Hence why i suggested you read the relevant chapter in the documentationContacting the tower does not change your steerpoint to that Airport. Repeat does not change !
your diamond is not where you think it should be because you didn’t cursor zero
Did you read the steps I just laid out? I feel like you didn’t read it at all because the things you’re saying don’t make a lot of sense given the context of the conversation. It might be me of course not getting it but I’m telling you the mileage changes in the HUD. You’re telling me it doesn’t do that? But you can recreate it yourself just follow the steps
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Yes i did
Do yourself a favour read the chapter in the manual regarding SPI and cursor zero (you can search the manuals too)
Once you do that it will become clear that the issue here is not me not reading your step by step but you not understanding the need to reset the cursor after a slewyou said:
I found out what we might be doing wrong with the waypoints moving off but I have no clue how I managed it. We were practicing our Mavericks and then somehow . when I slewed my camera, the waypoint diamond in the HUD was now moving I’m pretty sure you can move waypoints through the HUD I just don’t know what I pressed to enable it.
therefore you slewed your cursor.
and that slew will be relevant to any steerpointyou asked
any idea?
and i answered yes, that idea was given to you in post number 2, right after your initial question.
But you can recreate it yourself just follow the steps
not possible, because it dépends on your cursor slew when you play around with your mavericks
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@Red:
Yes i did
Do yourself a favour read the chapter in the manual regarding SPI and cursor zero (you can search the manuals too)
Once you do that it will become clear that the issue here is not me not reading your step by step but you not understanding the need to reset the cursor after a slewyou said:
therefore you slewed your cursor.
and that slew will be relevant to any steerpointyou asked
and i answered yes, that idea was given to you in post number 2, right after your initial question.
not possible, because it dépends on your cursor slew when you play around with your mavericks
OK we’re talking 2 things LOL which is why this is more confusing than it should be!
Re-read my post about Mandumi, that’s an entirely seperate issue. As for moving the waypoint through the HUD I’ll check out the chapter you mentioned, thanks