Ripple aimpoint
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Ive never flown the real jet, but the manual does explain that CCIP specifically has the offset symbol by half the bomb train, to ensure the train brackets the target.
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Thank you Eagle Eye and Blu3wolf for your answers !
Yes I have read that about CCIP so I’m confident this reflects the real’s jet behaviour.
My question was more directed towards CCRP, as have two different behaviours might be confusing, so I’m wondering -
Well, it says that specifically about CCIP, its a special consideration to CCIP but not other release modes. So I think it is two different behaviors.
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Well, it says that specifically about CCIP, its a special consideration to CCIP but not other release modes. So I think it is two different behaviors.
Yes I saw that too in the -34 now that you have pointed me in the right direction.
No such special consideration for CCRP -
My experience when bombing runways in CCIP with Durandals, is that if I aim the begining of the ripple at the threshold of the runway, the first impacts always falls short and out of it, so I aim always about 50 meters or more passing the threshold.-
I dont know why, as with other bombs it doesnt happen -
My experience when bombing runways in CCIP with Durandals, is that if I aim the begining of the ripple at the threshold of the runway, the first impacts always falls short and out of it, so I aim always about 50 meters or more passing the threshold.-
I dont know why, as with other bombs it doesnt happenThe math is pretty easy. Length of runway, / # bombs = SMS spacing, pickle runway center
BOOM
OR…single release. It’s what most fliers do on OCA runways. Pickle 6 times visual spacing as desired per pipper (thing on the thing)
BOOM
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The presented aim point targets the center of the stick. So you need to aim at what you want to bracket.
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Thank you for all your answers, but the question was mainly about CCRP, not CCIP.
But I guess I got the answer from Blu3wolf, seeing that the CCIP behavior is in a special remark which is not also in the CCRP section of the -34. -
I don’t 100% remember, but I do remember I added the behavior to CCIP only, so I think if CCRP would need the same adjustment then it would have been done at that time.
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I don’t 100% remember, but I do remember I added the behavior to CCIP only, so I think if CCRP would need the same adjustment then it would have been done at that time.
Perfect ! Thank you for the clarification !
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In BMS the center of aimpoint corresponds to center of bomb train for sequences of 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, or 12 bombs.
For 2 bombs the first bomb is directed at the aimpoint with the second one spacing later. -
In BMS the center of aimpoint corresponds to center of bomb train for sequences of 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, or 12 bombs.
For 2 bombs the first bomb is directed at the aimpoint with the second one spacing later.…
This is only true for CCIP, not CCRP, which is the question in this thread, and has been answered above -
In BMS the center of aimpoint corresponds to center of bomb train for sequences of 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, or 12 bombs.
For 2 bombs the first bomb is directed at the aimpoint with the second one spacing later.That doesnt sound very intuitive
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That doesnt sound very intuitive
Yep, will try that a little later as it is not written in the -34 it seems and sounds super counter intuitive.
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In BMS the center of aimpoint corresponds to center of bomb train for sequences of 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, or 12 bombs.
For 2 bombs the first bomb is directed at the aimpoint with the second one spacing later.Just tested this and it is indeed the case.
Now I’m wondering if the real jet has that behavior too ?
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there is some discussion in regards to this as well, going back a good ways which all stems from some pilot coined usage of DTOS, in other languages as well- I think that’s why the discrepancies the f-16 is the most widely operated tactical aircraft in the world, so it could be a usage misnomer across trainings. I have here in english, three different developer provided descriptions of how CCRP will operate under the same conditions, so even with one signal chain, wires can be crossed. is it DTOS= dive toss? or DTOS= direct targeting optical sights? you can find evidence to support both, usage, as well as practical application, the DTOS can be used to designate dive toss, it can also be used as a direct targeting optical sight, given a situation wherein your MFD is degraded or fails and you desire a ccrp level release but can only use hud symbology.
I think you just have to go with doris Day in times like that and say " well hey, daddy-O, I aint hep to that step…but I can dig it."
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This is only true for CCIP, not CCRP, which is the question in this thread, and has been answered aboveSorry, assumed both would act the same or CCRP had some switching behavior with short TOF. Yeah CCRP is first bomb in BMS in all ways I could think to check.
Just tested this and it is indeed the case. Now I’m wondering if the real jet has that behavior too ?
I doubt it but I don’t know. I would put money that aimpoint is center of pattern in real airplane every mode for every quantity in every situation.
is it DTOS= dive toss? or DTOS= direct targeting optical sights? you can find evidence to support both, usage, as well as practical application, the DTOS can be used to designate dive toss, it can also be used as a direct targeting optical sight, given a situation wherein your MFD is degraded or fails and you desire a ccrp level release but can only use hud symbology."
DTOS is abbreviation for dive toss officially. The other interpretation may be an invented thing or borrowed from another weapon system with a similar connotation. I would like to see examples of where DTOS is given this other name in F-16 or similar context because I couldn’t find it with a brief search. I could see operators with different languages helping understanding by altering the name. There is a backup DTOS mechanization when the backup HUD is selected but the only difference is that designated position is the 0 mrad position instead of the FPM. Arguably the alternate name is a better one because it describes how the sight works instead of describing the maneuver the sight is made for but it doesn’t explain why it deserves the “direct targeting” name any more than say, CCIP.
DTOS I always explain it as CCRP where the point is initially designated visually. And by visually I mean by the HUD. Of course if you put DTOS box over terrain but there is a cloud between you and the ground DTOS works the same whether or not the cloud is there or you can actually see anything interesting through the HUD. Everything after the initial designation is almost identical to CCRP. Apparently real DTOS is “velocity stabilized” and subject to drift while I think CCRP is a different, more robust process under the hood.
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Speaking of DTOS, why does it “appear” it’s rarely used vs. CCRP/CCIP? If you have eyeballs on the target or see smoke from hits and you have a hardeck you can’t break, seems like a better option than 45/30/20 deg dive attack run.
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You don’t need to dive to use it. It’s simply another way of designating a target other than relying on the FCR or on CCIP.