Theater conversion from 4.33 to 4.34
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@Nuno:
Dee-Jay
When you mention export/import to work on objectives, do you mean using that function in Notepad ++?
Nope. In BMS Editor.
Go in “Objective”, either “Export” the entire Objective , or you can select the features you want in the feature list and “Export Selected”. The. You can import them elswhere. Useful in many cases when working on Objectives (at least for me it is usefull).
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I like excel and manage well working with excel.
Used it to check stations+ils for poh, exporting original (official version) to make my changes, including detection of duplicates of tcn channels, comms freqs, association of IDs, etc… even created my new file from excel… using vba scripting.
Anyways, bms DB is still a big mistery me…Cheers and keep it up.
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Anyways, bms DB is still a big mistery me…
Sometimes to us also Even with coder’s help it can be tricky. Something I’ve learned working on it with my team mates: Do not trust your “feelings/believes” nor what you are witnessing in game. Sometimes “pragmatism” is a good bet … Sometimes not.
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Sorry guys… i use notepad ++ for years (not advanced user) and for what we r talking here is like going from Athens to Paris via Moscow. Yeap hard and cold.
Toooo much up and down and looking for a word or value in a mess and just vertical scrolling.
By principal a db is a tabular format. With notepad++ u just kill that and u make your life harder.
Notepad as u say or i know can compare only 2 files simultaneously? I didn’t knew it could compare side by side but i dont believe this is enough.
Besides tabular format u dont even have filters in notepad.
Either im not seeing what u do or mean but for now sounds very simplistic and inefficient. Seems to me U spend more time.What worried me very much is Falcas warning.
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What worried me very much is Falcas warning.
Let me explain a little.
The DB is in Falcon is complecated and there are a lot of cross references to different places. Even outside of the database.
Not many people have a good oversight or good knowledge about everything.
The chance of mistakes and messing up your database is very very high when you do this in notepad or excel.The XML has been introduced to keep track of the changes and being able to revert errors (inside the dev team)
And yes it also gives options to fix things.But you are much much saver to use the BMSeditor which gives you plenty of features and protection.
It even has a good DB testing featureGr Falcas
PS. You have been warned
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Yeah … as Cars said, it is also a matter of CT/Index links among the different DB parts/files that could be easily scrubbed by using unsuitable “editing” methods. And once those are messed up … good luck to restore the correct links. This is truly critical.
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Well the point is to edit the database. Since there are links outside then doing it with excel or doing it with Feditor then it will result to the same if you don’t update needed external values. It will not work either way.
So this argument doesn’t say much as you kinda talking about one record edits here, I’m talking about massive ones… and this is the point of this thread.New Vanila came to town ok how do I get my theater updated and compatible in no time for what’s known and just fiddle with the newcomers in the new vanila db version.
Today it struck me like why not use Vanila BMS and EMF or Balkans DB and try to recreate it from Vanila Falcon to end up to EMF or Balkans and see how it goes.
For starters (cause of the outsiders mentioned earlier) just do an import in current EMF and see just if the restructure from vanila will work.
This way you can make sure that the process is ok regarding just core DB update.For the outsiders you mention… an excel is way easier maintained than code and UI. So you can add those external links or references that must be updated also. Maybe excel will not be able to do the job but sure can be set to warn you about it. it’s just conditions.
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The best is a dedicated tool with many edit/check/comparison/copy/past features.
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Well the point is to edit the database. Since there are links outside then doing it with excel or doing it with Feditor then it will result to the same if you don’t update needed external values. It will not work either way.
So this argument doesn’t say much as you kinda talking about one record edits here, I’m talking about massive ones… and this is the point of this thread.The argument is about much much more.
But let me say it like this… The advice is to use the BMSeditor and NOT to edit the XML directly. Why… well that is the experiance after many years.
And advice is an advice, use it as you see fitGr Falcas
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Here is a vid of me using lodediter on 4.34 might be helpful to some.
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That’s really great, Ned!!
Thank you, I’m studying it and it will prove very helpful, mate!
Cheers
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Any chance of making this thread a “Sticky”, at least for the time being? It’s going to be quite a hot topic during the coming months.
Thanks
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Here is a vid of me using lodediter on 4.34 might be helpful to some.
Is there anyway that you can upload this video to Youtube so it can be download to one’s PC system?
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Is there anyway that you can upload this video to Youtube so it can be download to one’s PC system?
It is on YouTube already
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Arty’s right, it is on YouTube. There are tools that’ll allow you to capture YouTube videos and store them on your own PC though.
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@Red:
Gents this is a chapter I wanted to be in the tech manual but I wasn’t able to write it not being a theater developer myself. So this post if formatted correctly could certainly be used as the back bone for the well needed new chapter of the technical manual.
I’ll be listening, and don’t be afraid to be exhaustive so that even me can understand the step by steps requiredI couldn’t agree more Red Dog, that’s exactly what we needed.
Not sure what’s happened tbh. Clearly 2 designers have been given an inside track into converting theatres into BMS 4.34 so why haven’t they been asked to write the chapter you describe above as part of the deal? I really don’t understand it tbh but I guess we have to live with it and move on. Not entirely down to you, I understand that, but surely lessons to be learned for the future.
Cheers
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I couldn’t agree more Red Dog, that’s exactly what we needed.
Not sure what’s happened tbh. Clearly 2 designers have been given an inside track into converting theatres into BMS 4.34 so why haven’t they been asked to write the chapter you describe above as part of the deal? I really don’t understand it tbh but I guess we have to live with it and move on. Not entirely down to you, I understand that, but surely lessons to be learned for the future.
Cheers
You couldn’t be more right Duke. In fact those theaters Devs are BMS Devs also so they prepare the theaters along with the 4.34 development. Very unfair to the rest of us but its life
What i’m stunned is that knowing that theaters turn complete obsolete with 4.34 BMS Dev tem should at least warn the main theaters dev months ago, at least to inform what kind of changes should we start to make.
Now we are months behind but no problem we will make it and in the process make note of all we have done to make sure that everyone now and in the future can change their theatres.
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Gentlemen,
even if positively NOT a theater maker or the like, I’m following closely this interesting discussion, made clear in language and expressions for me as well.
Duke and Decimal, you got a main point both, especially about making this a sticky topic of discussion and sharing experiences and points of view.
And - this is my own little cent here - I wouldn’t ever forget a matter, true also about this particular topic.
As per Red Dog’s (as many others, I guess) statements in years and almost everywhere, BMS is a friendly ‘association’ of enthusiasts making and developing a flight simulation for other enthusiasts, for free and in their free time.
A lack of information to us, the public, is therefore almost unavoidable to my eyes.
I don’t assume that releasing such a sim, listening always the bunch of complaints from the users, and answering to each of them, and surviving to the last minute clash of big and little preparations preceding the release of this great update (to call it so), is a nightmare mission to me, you know. Well, more or less.
I agree with you, Decimal: we will make it, will even take this months. Or a little bit, as I hope.
We too are a ‘team’, more than sometimes doing close to the developers.With best regards to all.