Wish the center Freq for Cross country flight
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You obviously have no idea of all the things an Area Controller has to do. I know for a fact that every single day, Area Controllers over Belgium, France, The Netherlands, and sometimes even Germany are already coordinating and working on the traffic flow into London Heathrow. If they didn’t, LHR would be completely overwhelmed. Even more than it is already.
Being a commercial airline pilot I have a pretty good idea how the operation works. That being said my experience is Canadian airspace with some US experience as well. Our airspace is mostly empty in the higher central sectors so not much happens. The most I have to deal with is the odd crossing time into Vancouver.
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For one, it would mean you actually need to check if your bogey is a bandit or just a hapless airliner. So far, in the campaign it seems to amount to “not squawking mode 4=fair game”. Haven’t yet ran into a case where two subsequent IFF interrogations wouldn’t give me the definite idea as to which side the contact is on.
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So far, in the campaign it seems to amount to “not squawking mode 4=fair game”.
That is true most of the time, but not 100%. On Bear Trap campaign I almost shot down one of our plane because He didn’t responded to IFF, and I thought the same. Luckily He got only a damage, and went home (I got court martial anyway).
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The name/acronym “IFF” : Identification Friend or Foe … is indeed confusing and very badly chosen. IFF no NEVER allow you to know if a contact is an enemy … It can ONLY tell you when it is a friendly.
If you firing on an non responding contact or on a “bad” reply … IRL => you will go in jail. In game => you do not understand what IFF is.
Airliners are using M3C … AWACS knows that they are “not bandit”. A real bandit would be “stupid” to use any fake M3C as deception.
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A real bandit would be “stupid” to use any fake M3C as deception.
Why?
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The name/acronym “IFF” : Identification Friend or Foe … is indeed confusing and very badly chosen. IFF no NEVER allow you to know if a contact is an enemy … It can ONLY tell you when it is a friendly.
If you firing on an non responding contact or on a “bad” reply … IRL => you will go in jail. In game => you do not understand what IFF is.
Airliners are using M3C … AWACS knows that they are “not bandit”. A real bandit would be “stupid” to use any fake M3C as deception.
I’ve been checking with AWACS, of course, especially since it usually also gives me aircraft type, which is a good way to ensure I won’t end up chasing a Su-30MKK or something and get an R-77 in the face before I even realize what I’m messing with. Those things are mean. In fact, I’m wary of going after bandits which it doesn’t identify (unless they’re obviously helos, you won’t find many R-77 launchers hovering at 6000ft), just so that I don’t bite off more than I can chew. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s a rare situation that I would be wrong if I just went by IFF, and in BMS it has no consequences.
TBH, AWACS makes things easy no matter what. Q-2-You know everything. Civilian traffic would be add more to the mix in case AWACS isn’t available. Chasing after an airliner to make sure it’s an airliner burns fuel and takes up your time. Right now, you can be pretty certain that going after a nonresponsive contact will be worth it, even if you don’t engage until you ID it. Presence of civilian traffic would require accounting for additional criteria and add some extra uncertainty. Even better, many Russian aircraft are dual purpose, with civilian and military versions differing mostly by livery, giving further reasons to be careful.
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The name/acronym “IFF” : Identification Friend or Foe … is indeed confusing and very badly chosen. IFF no NEVER allow you to know if a contact is an enemy … It can ONLY tell you when it is a friendly.
If you firing on an non responding contact or on a “bad” reply … IRL => you will go in jail. In game => you do not understand what IFF is.
Airliners are using M3C … AWACS knows that they are “not bandit”. A real bandit would be “stupid” to use any fake M3C as deception.
Dee-Jay, given your real world flying (and apologies if this is a stupid question, I’m still a newbie to RL flying), do you foresee ‘traditional’ SSR based transponders being entirely phased out in favour of the likes of Mode S / ADS-B etc?
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Thanks for your professional information, really interesting …thanks
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It would certainly be nice to be able to put civilian air traffic into a campaign. In KTO it probably wouldn’t continue, at least around Seoul, but in others it might. It would also add some interesting IFF problems, right now it’s not exactly difficult to just interrogate everyone and have a good idea of who you can shoot (though I still try to have everything declared by AWACS, just to be on the safe side).
Civilian traffic was quite good modeled in some missions of old Janes F15 and it gave lots realism to missions and reason to obey mission ROE. (Sorry for couple 707:s and their virtual passangers)
Now bms has working iff so maybe there is possibity to check if for example missile is shot inside visibility range to target or target is identified by F16:s radar if ROE says so.This could also make possible campaings to start with “dull” missions where you have on transfer flights before war is even started and some visual check flights too if ROE says that you can’t fire before them. Mission builders dream I believe.
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I’ll just toss in a real world example of how military and civil aviation might share airspace near a conflict zone.
Granted every country has it’s own procedures but i’m’ currently flying commercially in a country that is at war with it’s southern neighbor. There is the border between the two countries that we don’t cross, unless armed to the teeth and then there is a border that’s pushed further to the north say 150 NM or so which has some altitude restrictions.
Within this border all airspace from FL270 and above is military and below civilian (sometimes the military airspace will allow civilian traffic depending on military activity). This allows the airlines to fly (uncomfortably) below the military airspace to as close as 17 NM to the border.
Military aircraft will depart climb out with Departure Control, and then handed off to Tactical (AWACS) who is in charge within that airspace from 270 and above. Center Controllers only have the space below 270 within the boundaries of this special use airspace. So civil aviation is out of the way completely near the FEBA.
I was on the ground during one occasion when our airport was attacked and had just missed being a casualty by 2 minutes after looking back. To say the least its a bit unnerving. Anyway thought I would share something current that might give you some insight on this original post.
Cheers
One other thing is were issued Air Defense Codes in case queried by a Fighter or AWACS. I know some guys who were in the air near the airport as Patriots were flying over their heads shooting down inbound missiles ooooooffff.