Suggestion for database, data supply
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I do not want to mess my Youtube account with “temporary videos”.
You may put “unreferenced videos”
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Ok, I added the video.
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Devs? Are you here? Any comment about data supply? Is it enoght detailed?
(Not all stuff is downloaded the link that I provide you.)
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AIM-54.
Some RL video.
1:15
3:34
Missile is “dropped” and not launched “from rail”. Moreover, the initial accelaration is quite small comparing with current flight model.
Data suggetions and videos comes soon.
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Link for files. You can find vhs files about test, you can see these also on the test video. The new thrust char. is shown in Excel table.
http://www.mediafire.com/?qd6epocb3vjfd
Video about test.
The propellant and empty weights were changed to RL weight. Because of smaller weight the thrust characteristics was canged to keeps similar to current top speeds and counting RL data.
Lofting bias was also changed to modeling the traveling stage of AIM-54.
Boostgide value increased to 5 sec to modeling the weakier initial maneuvering capability.
aim54.dat
aim54a.datOriginal data
_1020.74 # Weight of Missile (lbs)
400 # Weight of propellant (lbs)
1 # Lofting Bias
1 # Seconds we are in boostguide mode12 # Number of Time Breaks
#BURN TIMES
0 0.025 1 2.5
4 5 5.2 16 16.5
16.6 16.8 17ENGINE THRUST (LBS)
THRUST
0 22000 17000 18000
20000 5000 3000 3200 2400
1200 600 0_New data
**734 # Weight of Missile (lbs)
288 # Weight of propellant (lbs)
2 # Lofting Bias
5 # Seconds we are in boostguide mode9 # Number of Time Breaks
#BURN TIMES
0 1 4 6
10 10.2 10.5 20 21ENGINE THRUST (LBS)
##THRUST
0 0 4000 7500
9000 7000 3500 3000 0** -
I like that.
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The effect of lofting bias.
Orginial flight path.
New flight path.
The different peak altitude and profile is clearly visible.
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AoA tweaks on F-15, effect both on player and AI controlled AC.
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R-33 missile in RL.
Similar behavior that you can see from AIM-54.
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The original data was literally the similar as the AIM-54’s data. I set almost the same thrust data for R-33 after weight tweaking even I doubt that Russian was able to provide such a thrust profile that you can see for AIM-54. AIM-7F/M missiles have booster & sustain stage, but for any version of R-27 or R-77 this is still not available. Therfore my guess for R-33 also not available. (I set a bit smaller thrust for R-33.)
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/AIM-7F_Sparrow_CS_-_January_1976.pdf
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/AIM-7F_Sparrow_III_SMC_-_January_1977.pdfThrust profile
http://www.mediafire.com/?ai5wm2ikqcqga9xNew dat file.
http://www.mediafire.com/?dcrwyks8timjtd9Boostgide settings is similar to AIM-54, but lofting bias is a bit smaller.
Video about the tweaks.
aa9.dat
Original data
_# Weight of missile (lbs)
1080.27Weight of propellant (lbs)
400.00
Lofting Bias
1.000
boostguidesec
0.50000
#BRNTIM
12
0.0 0.025 1.0 2.5 4.0 5.0
5.2 16.00 16.5 16.6 16.8 17.0ENGINE THRUST (LBS)
#THRST1
0.0 18000.0 14000.0 15000.0 16000.0 6000.0
3000.0 3200.0 2400.0 1200.0 600.0 0.0_New data
**# Weight of missile (lbs)
800Weight of propellant (lbs)
280.00
Lofting Bias
1.8000
boostguidesec
5.00
#BRNTIM
9
0.0 1.0 4.0 6.0 10.0 10.5
11.0 20.0 21.0ENGINE THRUST (LBS)
#THRST1
0 0 4000 7500 9000 6000
2800 2500 0** -
Original video about AIM-7.
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Good job mate! This is 1:1 impressive!
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Can you make a mod for it? with all editted datas?
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Not as level as in FF. Biggest problem (as I know) current BMS4 exe does not allow separated sim(data) files. Even you can make separated theaters with their own DB you have to overwrite sim(data) files with mine.
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i’m starting to get nervous.
these are clearly things that have to be fixed in BMS. i would like to know if one of the devs will be cross-checking all these items and
start working on a db update or if everyone will be on his own with these modifications and their implementation.
some more of these findings and i’m gonna start copying all the posts made by molniballage while i don’t really have the time for this.what will be done about it?
i would like to read that somebody is looking into item after item, checks them and !!-hoppla hop-!! integrates the change for the next update. -
RL thrust and weight data.
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/AIM-7F_Sparrow_III_SMC_-_January_1977.pdf
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/AIM-7F_Sparrow_III_SMC_-_January_1977.pdfBMS4 data comes soon.
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So far I have linked dat files, all is downloadable. Just copy them into \data\sim\misdata or \data\sim\acdata. Only enabling dispenser on Su-17 and disabling the HMS on MiG-31 are required DB edits. When I finished missile FMs I will continue with Hardpoints and racks on red jets. Or should I change the priority? Modeling the red SAMs required a bit harder tweaks.
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Looks good.
Hope BMS will accept this data. -
Comparsion.
http://www.mediafire.com/?zz10yi1876urfhm
Dat file.
http://www.mediafire.com/?rap83h6cbjqi9b3
aim7.dat
aim7f.datOriginal data
_# Weight of missile (lbs)
505.000000Weight of propellant (lbs)
120.00
BRNTIM
8
0.000 0.025 3.100
3.200 3.500 4.000 4.800 5.000ENGINE THRUST (LBS)
THRST1
0.0 9000.0 9000.0
5000.0 2000.0 400.0 80.0 0.0_New data
**# Weight of missile (lbs)
375Weight of propellant (lbs)
135
BRNTIM
7
0.0 0.4 0.7
5.2 5.5 16.5 17.0ENGINE THRUST (LBS)
THRST1
0 0 5800
5800 1100 1000 0**–------------------------
The data supply directory
http://www.mediafire.com/?lb1yd574jd26uAll dat files.
http://www.mediafire.com/?9zh74ve6wblxi