Suggestion for database, data supply
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Here have fun Lad’s:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?us4yd8cypmpaunc
Just point it to your Data\Sim\Misdata folder and have fun……
demer
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@OSD:
in the data that entered into the database
in which thread to write about them?Great question… there’s a forum for that called Technical Support.
But I digress… on a positive note, you can expect some great things for the next release. -
BMS is working because we are working together, in the same direction … not easy every day, but the strong point of the team is actually because it’s a team.
And a great one!
Monli have to change his point of view about what is a team work, he must accept than not everybody is thinking the same that him (with or without clues) … we have all those kind of problems here … it is not a reason to be impolite.
I hope he will change (rapidly) his behaviour so that many other guys will take his information seriously.
His behaviour deserves him … and the entire community also since I think that some of his work is interesting.
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You might find it interesting to know that internally there has been a profound amount of time consumed looking into Molni and his edits. I think it’s interesting that BMS is comprised of folks from Openfalcon, RPG, original Falcon 4 team, BMS, and Superpak and Freefalcon. All of whom have univerally panned both his attitude and information. The fact that he continually chooses to put down the work of others is why he would never be asked to join the team. The fact that his data, while interesting, is also very suspect along many different lines is another reason he would not be on our team. It’s not “just” that some of his data might be spot on while other data is not… we can’t be bothered with deciphering between which is which when there truly are other more important priorities. Quite honestly, the only reason he’s not permanently banned is because we genuinely hope he’ll change his attitude and stop insulting the work done by the afformentioned groups. If he personally attacks another member of this forum by calling them names or teling them to “Go to Hell”, he will be banned permanently. What really bothers me is that if his disdain is so great for BMS, then why bother posting, or otherwise flying it? That seems like a stress he could really do without.
Cobracap,
be ashured that i did not read this thread with the feeling that finally all the previous dev teams get told off for their data work!
To be honest you gave me that thought now.
No. i was reading this thread and enjoying molni doing the dataresearch and testing. Now finally we get informed that you have been looking at the stuff posted here.
(a bit late) Why couldn’t the BMS-team climb down from the high hill before and come down to molni’s each and every post - boosting the db development and fixing item by item?“other more important priorities” - that must have been the case for a long time now. when will the dirty DB work be a priority? Molni did something about DB issues. Now he is temporarily banned. period.
And i did not have the impression that it would be very difficult to determine whether his edits were right or not - they all looked quite right to me - exspecially because no one commented otherwise from bms. (scoob prooved molnis claims and did not proove that molni was wrong except for molni choosing a wrong word once)
Another thing - but that might just be me:
moderators editing posts from forum-members is something i don’t like.
I guess i would not even ban anyone for beeing harsh to another member on occasions.
Being hash to people all the time should be banned with a warning beforehand. ok.
But i would give a weekly ban to some members for exessive fun posting - disturbing posts
in serious discussions.For shure you make the rules in your forum. But it seems like you want to make the opinions too.
Scoob_SBM did aggress molni from my point off view.
“At any rate, every time you make a claim that “such and such is completely useless” I hear a boy crying wolf.”molni:
"I did shown any test against manouevering target for a reson.
No offense, but you are very, very annoying…
So, in short.Go to hell."
Scoob-SBM:
“there’s no cause for being so rude. Better to admit that what you said was false, than engage in personal attacks”there you have it - classical - scoob claims that molni began - while very clearly for everone that read the “boy crying wolf” scoob was the personal aggressor.
I really hope that we can all admit that there are serious issues in the DB that need fixing. For shure one can have fun with the DB as is. But now we know that it’s not what
it could be. In fact molni showed us many important examples that are very wrong.Thats what i’m interested in: what someone does / not how sweet he can talk.
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This is sad, really.
Why the dev teams are always so blind, molni made some really good finds and fixes… Ban was stupid, without warning etc…
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This is sad, really.
Why the dev teams are always so blind, molni made some really good finds and fixes… Ban was stupid, without warning etc…
No SAD at all, this is dialog. Just in Falcon those dialogs are HOT. Sure something good will come out from those Database and FM talks. Both sides super love what they talk about. They just put their personal feelings in the talks and it gets fubared some time. We are grown up (I want to believe) and see the third side of they coin the win win scenario.
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hehe just for amusement:
Scoob:
“Molni, it is impossible to take you seriously, if you’re going to keep making stuff up. Have you considered the possibility that your own butchered database, and prejudice against anything that isn’t your own, might be the cause of your symptoms?”and the BMS update1 with porked DB:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?8995-Mk-20Ds-now-have-retard-effecthahaha haHAHA
hoho well it’s not so funny after all.
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Molni was banned alright, for personal attacks. If it were up to me, the ban would have been permanent considering this wasn’t his first time. There will be absolutely zero tolerance for calling someone names. Period.
The rules as so simple, it’s not even funny.
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?8465-Forum-RulesYes, this is our forum, and these are our rules.
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Why couldn’t the BMS-team climb down from the high hill before and come down to molni’s each and every post - boosting the db development and fixing item by item?
In my experience, BMS is always willing to listen to constructive criticism, and justified improvements. The way in which Molni’s work was framed was the issue.
Whether it be Molni, or anyone else, there is no cause for continuous slagging of BMS, its creators, and all the creators of patches that preceeded it.
Anyone wishing to help improve this sim, and have their work accepted, should probably be constructive in their approach. If someone finds an error in the database, it is not helpful to insult those that made the changes in the first place. If one finds an error in SAM behaviour, it is not constructive to call the existing behavior useless and flawed, and exagerate to the nth degree.
A better approach is something like,
No need for insults, personal attacks, and un-necessary rhetoric.
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No need for insults, personal attacks, and un-necessary rhetoric.
Agreed 100%. It’s very disturbing to see constant sarcastic demeaning remarks by some in most every post they make concerning the DB here or other areas of others work in different iterations of Falcon on these boards, not just directed at the BMS crew. Some guys just can’t stop.:(
I also noted after release some issues and I left it at that here in the public. No need to constantly be bashing the horse to death and beyond. Really what does that accomplish??
Now on the other hand, Bonedust is fair GAME!!!:p
RAM22
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i must say i have the time to follow the forum (a little bit) since the new year approximately. I did not know about the db questions / the fighting that was happening before.
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Molni was banned alright, for personal attacks. If it were up to me, the ban would have been permanent considering this wasn’t his first time. There will be absolutely zero tolerance for calling someone names. Period.
The rules as so simple, it’s not even funny.
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?8465-Forum-RulesYes, this is our forum, and these are our rules.
Then Shouldnt Scoob sustain the same punishment for his remark of " a boy who cried wolf". Sure that may not seem to abrasive to some, but to others that may be down rite rude. You say that there is “Zero” Tollerance for attacks. Then you need to hold everyone to the same Tollerance.
Otherwise you are just taking sides. Period.
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Then Shouldnt Scoob sustain the same punishment for his remark of " a boy who cried wolf". Sure that may not seem to abrasive to some, but to others that may be down rite rude. You say that there is “Zero” Tollerance for attacks. Then you need to hold everyone to the same Tollerance.
Otherwise you are just taking sides. Period.
Read the forum rules again. They are both clear and simple. By the way, one does not equal the other. Scoobs remark was not a direct attack while Molni’s remark, plus past history, is a direct reflection of his attitude. It’s why we will not normally perma ban someone for a “rude” or “abrasive” remark, at least the first time. Molni has a history of these remarks, so the punishment definitely fit the crime. I’ve said everything that needs to be said of this issue and don’t have the patience to debate it with you.
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I have been away and still will be but I will ask someone to look into all his recommended changes. Lets please not make this forum into a he said you said bla bla bla forum. Thanks to all that have made comments and please keep posting Molni but dont attack anyone even if you feel you may have been provoked. Paka
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A person spends a lot of hours testing something and offering his own point of view for fixing them, backing it up with the information that is available to him.
Since he had a communication problem in the past, he just lays it out in a thread on the forums.
He gets called out on a simple words play, and tries to explain what he meant to say. (I highly doubt that he was claiming that either of those SAMS isn’t able to hit any non-maneuvering target).
Then he gets called out even more, with a little spark of impoliteness added, which makes him (I’d say righteously) lose his temper.
He gets no chance to apologize and no warnings, while the second offender is let off the hook.If you have something against the information and suggestions he has, prove it by facts available to you. Playing with his temper and his language barrier, while calling him out on a very narrow interpretation of his words is just not right.
If he is misbehaving, give him a warning and a chance to apologize. Forgiveness changes people, not punishment.
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Ok … Please guys … now stop the drama…
Back to the topic : Suggestion for database, data supply
Thank you all!
(And Nice to see you Ratty ;)!)
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A person spends a lot of hours testing something and offering his own point of view for fixing them, backing it up with the information that is available to him.
Since he had a communication problem in the past, he just lays it out in a thread on the forums.
He gets called out on a simple words play, and tries to explain what he meant to say. (I highly doubt that he was claiming that either of those SAMS isn’t able to hit any non-maneuvering target).
Then he gets called out even more, with a little spark of impoliteness added, which makes him (I’d say righteously) lose his temper.
He gets no chance to apologize and no warnings, while the second offender is let off the hook.If you have something against the information and suggestions he has, prove it by facts available to you. Playing with his temper and his language barrier, while calling him out on a very narrow interpretation of his words is just not right.
If he is misbehaving, give him a warning and a chance to apologize. Forgiveness changes people, not punishment.
Let the one who has never lost his temper and never insulted others be the first one to throw the stone at me.Hey! What part of he said you said dont you get? Let me say this. I understand perfectly whats going on here. I dont want to see another post like this again because as far as I am concerned its finished and thats that. If this thread keeps going the way it has been I will close it and ask that Molni start all over again. I see 10 pages of possibly useful information and its all derailed by a further 10 pages of utter bullshit I dont want to come here when I can find the time and have to read through all the horseshit to see the useful stuff.
Its over its done ok?Regards
RayP.S. Dee-Jay please investigate the data Molni has to offer. I think most of the chaff flares stuff looks good and can go straight in. I did the chaff flares position stuff a very long time ago when the code was first developed and there are plenty of errors I can guarantee that. It was regarded as not all that important at the time as it was an eye candy thing. as far as numbers of each you might have to ask him where his info came from so please work with him not against him.
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P.S. Dee-Jay please investigate the data Molni has to offer. I think most of the chaff flares stuff looks good and can go straight in. I did the chaff flares position stuff a very long time ago when the code was first developed and there are plenty of errors I can guarantee that. It was regarded as not all that important at the time as it was an eye candy thing. as far as numbers of each you might have to ask him where his info came from so please work with him not against him.
Actually … It is what I’m trying to do! … But Monli’s behaviour does not really help me … (easy easy … everything is alright now! LOL is a sort of joke … ok … me run.)
Seriously … as you know, I’m not in charge of that stuff, but (for some reasons) some .dat updates are missing and did not have been committed in time for public release. Falcas has updates to re-commit (that must be done first) and as far as I’ve understood, that will be looked at as soon as possible.
I guess that he had heard us.
Personally, I’m for those changes.
Finger crossed … and time is required …
(Maybe we should better speak about that on DEV forum check PM)
So @ everybody … back to topic please… more interesting…
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Yes,back to Topic,
While you guy’s are messing with the SAM’s and saying the SA-5’s are not shooting at you after awhile in Campaign.You need to check it’s Rareity in F4Browse in the WCD window.It may be that the Unit just plum ran out of that missile 'til next resupply event hit’s.Field is 0-99%(1-100 I believe),if they are available for use.Current SA-5 is available 70% of the time.SA-2 is available 99% of the time.
GO figure……
demer
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…bullshit … horseshit …
Its over its done ok?Regards
Rayok, thanks for your diplomacy and the constructive manner of conversation that I failed to provide in my post. Although I do regret the fact that my call for forgiveness, tolerance and understanding is considered to be a fecal matter produced by different species of livestock, especially by people that have the power to close threads, or otherwise moderate here. It’s ok, you are forgiven.
On topic: I suggest people do not just copy paste Molni’s fixes to their files/database. As good as they may be, different database/files may create problems for you if you are planning to engage in MP flights and it may be hard to revert these changes.