What happened with the mavericks in the bad weather training mission? BMS 4.35.1
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I just watched your video and the handoff does not seem to want to work, even though you have a good LOS and good visibility.
Did you try using the FCR instead of the TGP to get a ground lock and then slew the Mav onto a target from the WPN page? If you could get a lock in that setting, it could indicate that the MAV sensors are able to pick up a target through the mist, but that when used together with the TGP there are issues.
This also does not work, the heads of the Mavericks do not see the target, they can see the ships on route while boresighting or just lock up but not the Shilkas at the target point, by the way, the near BMPs in the column are not lock up either
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Thank you fo the vid… I will watch it.
That said, to me, I always considered the employment of AGM-65 in such conditions to be a kind of heresy considering that it’s seeker is optical (and IR for the B D E versions … IR effeciency in cloud or fog or mist is bad.)
The “B” also was TV in visible light just as the “A” just got magnification feature. The “D” is the IR variant.
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Mavs refuse to lock through clouds, no matter how thin. The TGP can lock through much thicker clouds.
Campaign experience.
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Will it work to just fire the mav at what the tgp is locked on, provided of course good launch parameters. Can it then home in during flight and get a better lock as it gets closer?
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Will it work to just fire the mav at what the tgp is locked on, provided of course good launch parameters. Can it then home in during flight and get a better lock as it gets closer?
Nope. No lock + steady pointing cross => no guidance.
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Yeah, well, they also don’t see nearest big buildings in such conditions too until to a certain distance. I tried to get closer and after that they’re successful catch the building. With ground forces the same but i don’t want to be knocked down on that small range, it’s too risky so it’s not rational and not safe to use them in such conditions
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Will it work to just fire the mav at what the tgp is locked on, provided of course good launch parameters. Can it then home in during flight and get a better lock as it gets closer?
In practice I’ve seen the opposite happen … you get lock via a clear line of sight, but after firing, the missile arcs upward, passes through/near a cloud and loses track…
There’s no inertial guidance like on a HARM or JSOW … just the optical seeker head. It’s gimballed to stay pointing at the target – but its “keyhole” field of view is pretty tiny so it has to stay perfectly focused on that target, throughout the acceleration of the launch and climb while the rocket motor burns.
No idea about RL, but in the sim there’s no concept of “fly along this line of sight and guide onto the first target you acquire”.
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So U2 has been released and nothing changes about this problem
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and?
As said and you can see in the changelog the focus was stability.If you want to be sure that the issue is not neglected have you posted it in the bugtracker?
https://bmsbugs.blu3wolf.com/my_view_page.phpFrom a quick search I don’t see it there…
Thank you.
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and?
As said and you can see in the changelog the focus was stability.If you want to be sure that the issue is not neglected have you posted it in the bugtracker?
https://bmsbugs.blu3wolf.com/my_view_page.phpFrom a quick search I don’t see it there…
Thank you.
man, I have no idea how your bug tracker works and how to write about problems there, I wrote to the technical support on the forum to draw attention to this problem, that’s all
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I’m not sure there’s even a bug … well probably there is, but it’s an open question if the bug is
(a) mavericks should work better in rain/snow/clouds
(b) the TGP and WPN optics should not work so well in rain/snow/cloudsIn other words, the bug arises from the inconsistency – that we can clearly see a high-contrast IR target image on the MFD screens, but the weapon can’t track it.
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Since mavericks don’t work in this mission anymore, it’s now a loft attack training.
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…in RL that’s about one of the best ways to flat out miss.
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My Hail Mary Pass
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You can pop up and dive, but the way a RL IMav works you can’t loft them.
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(I’m assuming those were bombs, not mavs?)
I flew this one again the other day … had some success, using the tall bldg nearest the shilkas as a “screen”. Which is probably some sort of war-crime but it’s super fun arcade-style action … so I’ll assume it’s an occupied HQ bldg or some valid military target.
Whenever shilkas hit me, I’ve noticed it’s almost always from behind or directly overhead… so, on the working theory that the jammer is most effective when travelling directly toward the aaa radar (is this true?) I approached heading northwest, and sometimes was able to get a lock and shoot (at around 2nm range, with aaa tracers in the air) then quickly weave/curve around the building to protect me from behind.
A good flare program is essential, eg. 5x 1.0 seconds, to help protect against manpads launched from the middle of the column… center/west of the city.
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…better to use buildings to hide behind than people.
With Mavs, you’re limited by the gimbal travel of the seeker - if you try and loft them at angles beyond the gimbal limit the missile will break lock enroute to the intended target. And miss. If BMS doesn’t do/represent this, then BMS has an issue.
Bombs are different.
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Yes they were mark 20 deltas not Mavericks. Oh that sounds like a fun sort of hack to get around the ridiculousness of that mission. I’ve been messing around in Mission commander, making the column mobile heading west and giving that SA10 site to the west some teeth. I have yet to fly it so we’ll see what challenges that poses, maybe it’ll even be easier to use the Mavericks in a different area of the map, I don’t know.
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…Mk20s are more like it!