SDBs in Tandem: Using the Meter Sticks
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@Crassus
If the Radius of the frag pattern is 160ft and the spacing of the bombs is 160ft, the bombs are only 80ft from center -
@white_fang Talkin loud, saying nothing.
tl;dr
@Crassus, thanks for taking the time to investigate this, it certainly looks like a personal endeavour - not something someone should be jumping all over (despite what others might be saying). I hope the info regarding the METERSTICK vs PTR units was correct and/or useful - apologies if it was not, but I’m still to be convinced the units can be changed.
Anyway, good luck, it’s certainly an interesting hypothesis.
@white_fang , you still haven’t suggested a way to change the METERSTICK from meters to feet. If you are saying that the METERSTICK is really a YARDSTICK and it’s up to the ‘pilot’ to do the maths, then say so and stop obfuscating.
With regard to doing the testing myself, I really don’t have the time: let alone RL or BMS knowledge to know if what I’m testing is “real” or not. That doesn’t mean I am disqualified from commenting if I think I see a discrepancy in what the manual(s) say and what is being reported.
Anyway, I’m sure you mean well, if not particularly expressed in a friendly manner.
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@CriticalMass said: @white_fang Talkin loud, saying nothing.
Wha…?
White Fang…?! Talking loud…!?! White Fang…??
NEVER…!!
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@Aragorn
I AM not LOUD, maybe when howling at the moonBut now I figured their “common mistake” - they are confusing “METER-stick” with length in meters…
Yes it could be called “YARD-stick” . but I suppose this one counts for real measurement in yards - fixed. - and it does exist., heard of it somewhere.The “-STICK” itself is a variable unit which depends on zoom, same as the frag ellipsis.
It is JUST CALLED meter-stick, it doesn’t really have to be represented/displayed in meters. - hence a “variable” unit… like “VARIABLE SCALE” on maps with zoom function.So, to clarify, for n-th time =>
variable, 1. “meter-stick” = 2. (units length in feet)- variable name, scale
- units of representation
- but to make thing worse , it could be really in meters if switched and selected so via TGP-CTL menu
@CriticalMass
M8 , did you have geography as a subject, anytime?
…or how they say:
“They said I was in elementary school but I couldn’t remember!!” -
@Crassus I have just made a simple TE with JSOW-154A.
- Stp 6 was the target steerpoint at 0 bearing, so i don’t need to change azimuth.
I use the meterstick and the frag radius to set my feets spacing between the two JSOW fired in tandem.
- First, the number for the meterstick is in meters and it’s the total length of the horizontal part of the cross. Here there is a difference with all the docs i have read for BMS :
I made a test when the meterstick displayed 310 in the TGP. I set the frag radius to 1065 feets (325m) using the menu options, and the result : the frag radius was a little longer than the whole horizontal line in the TGP display. Setting it to 985 feet and it was a little shorter than the cross in the TGP display.
- Then, i set the frag radius to see the distance between two groups of SAMS that i want to strike : more or less 2200 feets.
I set the JSOW accordingly in SMS page and fire them. They went exactly where they need to.
- Second attempt was set with a 300 feets separation to strike two SAMS, and there wasn’t any problem. They hit the ground as i have set them.
So for me, tests done, and a lot of new things learned about the TGP.
Thank you
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@ericfa2a said in SDBs in Tandem: Using the Meter Sticks:
@Crassus I have just made a simple TE with JSOW-154A.
- First, the number for the meterstick is in meters and it’s the total length of the horizontal part of the cross. Here there is a difference with all the docs i have read for BMS
‘TO BMS 1F-16CM-34-1-1.pdf’
Chapter 2.10.3.5 NORTH POINTER / METERSTICK (page 148)By selecting N/M via OSB 19 in the Control page the longitude, latitude and elevation of the current System Point Of Interest (SPI) position will be displayed in the upper left corner of the MFD display along with an arrow pointing north in the upper right corner and a number to the right of the meter stick (cross-hair) which is the length in meters of each line of the cross-hair.
I think all should be clear according to the available docs for BMS provided by the BMS team.
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@ericfa2a said in SDBs in Tandem: Using the Meter Sticks:
@Crassus I have just made a simple TE with JSOW-154A.
- Stp 6 was the target steerpoint at 0 bearing, so i don’t need to change azimuth.
I use the meterstick and the frag radius to set my feets spacing between the two JSOW fired in tandem.
- First, the number for the meterstick is in meters and it’s the total length of the horizontal part of the cross. Here there is a difference with all the docs i have read for BMS :
I made a test when the meterstick displayed 310 in the TGP. I set the frag radius to 1065 feets (325m) using the menu options, and the result : the frag radius was a little longer than the whole horizontal line in the TGP display. Setting it to 985 feet and it was a little shorter than the cross in the TGP display.
- Then, i set the frag radius to see the distance between two groups of SAMS that i want to strike : more or less 2200 feets.
I set the JSOW accordingly in SMS page and fire them. They went exactly where they need to.
- Second attempt was set with a 300 feets separation to strike two SAMS, and there wasn’t any problem. They hit the ground as i have set them.
So for me, tests done, and a lot of new things learned about the TGP.
Thank you
@ericfa2a nice summary.
Are you saying that the meterstick is bugged (if we assume the documentation, as referenced by @Razor161, is correct)?
@white_fang
I’m happy to proofread your Google Translate as one thing I’ve picked up since losing my way from the Geography class 42 years ago, is a decent level of English (as in grammar etc.) and how the world is full of all kinds (and all means) of people. -
@CriticalMass @Crassus @Razor161 @white_fang
Hi all, after continuing to investigate because @white_fang was so … sure of him …Here my today discovery using the frag radius setting and the displayed number on the TGP :- LANTIRN POD : Meterstick in meters, total length of the TGP cross.- SNIPER POD : Meterstick in feets, length of the “semi-cross” line as it is written in the doc.I 'll let you all check for yourself.~~Eric.
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@ericfa2a said in SDBs in Tandem: Using the Meter Sticks:
@CriticalMass @Crassus @Razor161 @white_fang
Hi all, after continuing to investigate because @white_fang was so … sure of him …
Here my today discovery using the frag radius setting and the displayed number on the TGP :
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LANTIRN POD : Meterstick in meters, total length of the TGP cross.
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SNIPER POD : Meterstick in feets, length of the “semi-cross” line as it is written in the doc.
I 'll let you all check for yourself.
Eric.
Oh no, another level of WTF!!
How about the below?,
- LANTIRN POD : Meterstick in meters, total length of the TGP cross.
- LANTIRN POD : Meterstick in feet, …
- SNIPER POD : Meterstick in feets, length of the “semi-cross” line as it is written in the doc.
- SNIPER POD : Meterstick in meters, …
Also, I was under the impression this was true (from page 147 of the -34-1)
Note: the AN/AAQ-14 LANTIRN Targeting Pod is functionally identical to the AN/AAQ-33 Sniper in BMS 4.34, though the wider and heavier AN/AAQ-14 LANTIRN Targeting Pod will incur an additional 3 points of drag when fitted.
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That what are you both saying can’t be right as (also @CriticalMass stated):
1-1 p.128
NOTE: AN/AAQ-14 LANTIRN and AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Targeting Pods are functionally identical. Refer to the AN/AAQ-33 SNIPER XR ADVANCED TARGETING POD chapter for information on the AN/AAQ-33 Targeting Pod.
@ericfa2a
Maybe you are a bit too hasty with your measurement, check again.
Also, JSOW-A’s aren’t quite the tools for correct “measurement”, use JSOW-C’s or SDB’s…
Something that doesn’t have a large footprint… even training munitions will do … A LOT OF TRAINING -
@white_fang @Crassus @CriticalMass @Razor161
ok…there is absolutely no difference between the pods in terms of measurement…
I don’t understand… a parallel universe? A bug in the matrix ? I was sure there were a difference between the two…
The only word that comes in my mind is… ERF.Is 50 years old the start of the end ???
Sorry for the fake information!!
@white_fang I will be back !!