GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack
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I’ve noticed this happening on both the F-16 and Hornet varients. I am flying the Balkans theatre if that has any impact at the moment, I’ll update if I notice it on KTO.
If I load my wingman with GBU-12 LGB’s even with a full load, I direct them to ATTACK MY TARGET, meanwhile I’ve gone off to attack another target to come around and find they’ve just overflown, still milling around without dropping any bombs. I get them to REJOIN and then ATTACK MY TARGET again and they call, UNABLE, WINCHESTER…and that’s it for them for that mission.
Doesn’t happen with JDAM’s, wingman is loaded out with TGP the same as I am…
Just wondering what conditions the wingman would call WINCHESTER and ignore the fact there’s 4x good LGB’s left.
Thanks for any assistance.
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How many times have you noticed this? Every time you load GBU-12’s? Or is it intermittent?
This is a known bug, but it occurs rarely so the issue is being illusive.
Next time you come across this issue try “Weapons Free AG” and “Attack Targets” options.
Also, if possible save the campaign and upload it to see if anyone else can duplicate it.
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@JollyFE
I tried those commands earlier with the same results.I loaded a new campaign, same theatre (Balkans), bug didn’t occur.
Went back to my original campaign and loaded ‘Fair’ weather map across the map, bug didn’t occur. Starting to think it’s weather condition dependant
The weather map prior looked amazing but I think it’s marginal for LGB use. There’s precious few ‘holes’ in cloud cover to sneak LGB’s through for moving targets but not impossible…I’m wondering if the weather settings is causing my wingmen to baulk entirely, if that’s a thing.
I have noticed previously they were diving to below 20k ft to drop, as if it were dumb ammunition…just some thoughts.
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Was the weather OK for a laser attack ?
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I made a TE in gulf theater and the AI pilot drops one GBU-12 then wants to head home with 3 more left! In the older version of BMS once you call him for attack he would attack once and again and again picking new target every time which was something I liked a lot.
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@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
I made a TE in gulf theater and the AI pilot drops one GBU-12 then wants to head home with 3 more left! In the older version of BMS once you call him for attack he would attack once and again and again picking new target every time which was something I liked a lot.
Please don’t worry here, dear mate.
It’s all fine.
He had courage enough… until his fears prevealed.
Falcon is the most realistic military flight simulation because has real life behaviors embedded, you know.
Thus we like it so much.With best regards.
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@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
I made a TE in gulf theater and the AI pilot drops one GBU-12 then wants to head home with 3 more left! In the older version of BMS once you call him for attack he would attack once and again and again picking new target every time which was something I liked a lot.
If you issue weapons free AG the ai will engage different targets as long as he has bombs
If you issue attack my target or attack target it will engage one target and rejoin
Please provide a TE repro case in KTO in case you don’t see this behavior
What kind of mission type are you using ?
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@Mav-jp said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
I made a TE in gulf theater and the AI pilot drops one GBU-12 then wants to head home with 3 more left! In the older version of BMS once you call him for attack he would attack once and again and again picking new target every time which was something I liked a lot.
If you issue weapons free AG the ai will engage different targets as long as he has bombs
If you issue attack my target or attack target it will engage one target and rejoin
Please provide a TE repro case in KTO in case you don’t see this behavior
What kind of mission type are you using ?
that’s new, must be an U3 of 4.36 feature. I think the way it is set now is much better. Weapon free didn’t do much in the past. Thank you very much Mav-jp.
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@Jackal said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
I made a TE in gulf theater and the AI pilot drops one GBU-12 then wants to head home with 3 more left! In the older version of BMS once you call him for attack he would attack once and again and again picking new target every time which was something I liked a lot.
Please don’t worry here, dear mate.
It’s all fine.
He had courage enough… until his fears prevealed.
Falcon is the most realistic military flight simulation because has real life behaviors embedded, you know.
Thus we like it so much.With best regards.
thanks for the funny joke, I guess we don’t see AI pilot acting realistic too often.
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@DaleTheRubbish same in KTO in 4.36.3
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@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Jackal said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
I made a TE in gulf theater and the AI pilot drops one GBU-12 then wants to head home with 3 more left! In the older version of BMS once you call him for attack he would attack once and again and again picking new target every time which was something I liked a lot.
Please don’t worry here, dear mate.
It’s all fine.
He had courage enough… until his fears prevealed.
Falcon is the most realistic military flight simulation because has real life behaviors embedded, you know.
Thus we like it so much.With best regards.
thanks for the funny joke, I guess we don’t see AI pilot acting realistic too often.
Wouldn’t be sure if it’s a true joke or not, if I were you.
With best regards.
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Seems pretty realistic. Not every wingman is competent. They dropped the bomb they might have missed. Assigning a target to AI doesn’t mean a guarantee good effect on target.
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@spectrclaw said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
Seems pretty realistic. Not every wingman is competent. They dropped the bomb they might have missed. Assigning a target to AI doesn’t mean a guarantee good effect on target.
Agree, mate - and he isn’t a suicide either, or most of all, better.
No needs to ask him anything about. To me.With best regards.
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@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
I made a TE in gulf theater and the AI pilot drops one GBU-12 then wants to head home with 3 more left! In the older version of BMS once you call him for attack he would attack once and again and again picking new target every time which was something I liked a lot.
ko i think i found why, it’s about weather conditions,
if they can’t employ their weapons in good conditiosn they will likely RTB ,
instead they should inform leader and rejoin
will fix this
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@DaleTheRubbish said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
Just wondering what conditions the wingman would call WINCHESTER and ignore the fact there’s 4x good LGB’s left.
Thanks for any assistance.
OK
if a wingman has LGB but weather conditions does not permit to use them with proper lazing conditions, he will call “winchester” …which is not really unappropriate, i should rather make them call “unable” …
SO what are the weather conditions for beeing able to LAZE
- IF weather type is POOR or INCLEMENT
if the cloud layer is below 5000ft above ground (reference dynamic IP), this is NO LAZE CONDITION
- IF weather type is FAIR
if the cloud density is above 6/8 and the cloud layer is below 5000ft above ground (reference dynamic IP), this is NO LAZE CONDITION
FOR TV weapons, the ceiling is 3000 ft by the way
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@Mav-jp said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
I made a TE in gulf theater and the AI pilot drops one GBU-12 then wants to head home with 3 more left! In the older version of BMS once you call him for attack he would attack once and again and again picking new target every time which was something I liked a lot.
coud you provide a repro case please
yes I think “unable” is better than “winchester” for a bad lazing condition. By the way, weapons free, or attack targets will do the same as the first option. He will attack once then say “out” which means he is gone home. I have the file but how can I send it?
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@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Mav-jp said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
I made a TE in gulf theater and the AI pilot drops one GBU-12 then wants to head home with 3 more left! In the older version of BMS once you call him for attack he would attack once and again and again picking new target every time which was something I liked a lot.
coud you provide a repro case please
yes I think “unable” is better than “winchester” for a bad lazing condition. By the way, weapons free, or attack targets will do the same as the first option. He will attack once then say “out” which means he is gone home. I have the file but how can I send it?
“out” does not mean he is going home
“out” means he is egressing to its IP
When reached the IP
- if you ordered weapons Free AG : he will re engage and call “IN”
- if you ordered 'attack targets or my targets" he will rejoin you in formation
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okay next BMS iteration should have this solved
in case weather does not permit the use of some weapons, the AI will call 'unable no joy" , and it will not RTB but rejoin
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@Mav-jp said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Mav-jp said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
I made a TE in gulf theater and the AI pilot drops one GBU-12 then wants to head home with 3 more left! In the older version of BMS once you call him for attack he would attack once and again and again picking new target every time which was something I liked a lot.
coud you provide a repro case please
yes I think “unable” is better than “winchester” for a bad lazing condition. By the way, weapons free, or attack targets will do the same as the first option. He will attack once then say “out” which means he is gone home. I have the file but how can I send it?
“out” does not mean he is going home
“out” means he is egressing to its IP
When reached the IP
- if you ordered weapons Free AG : he will re engage and call “IN”
- if you ordered 'attack targets or my targets" he will rejoin you in formation
will test again, thank you in advance.
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@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Mav-jp said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Mav-jp said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
@Alfred said in GBU-12 AI wingman calls winchester with full rack:
I made a TE in gulf theater and the AI pilot drops one GBU-12 then wants to head home with 3 more left! In the older version of BMS once you call him for attack he would attack once and again and again picking new target every time which was something I liked a lot.
coud you provide a repro case please
yes I think “unable” is better than “winchester” for a bad lazing condition. By the way, weapons free, or attack targets will do the same as the first option. He will attack once then say “out” which means he is gone home. I have the file but how can I send it?
“out” does not mean he is going home
“out” means he is egressing to its IP
When reached the IP
- if you ordered weapons Free AG : he will re engage and call “IN”
- if you ordered 'attack targets or my targets" he will rejoin you in formation
will test again, thank you in advance.
make sure your weapons are adapted with weather conditions, see above